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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by almogo »

newspaper1 wrote: post #265
janmo wrote: post #107

If the mossad was able to plant explosives without being caught, I wouldn't be surprised if they also planted bugs (indiscriminately) in many electronic devices delivered to Lebanon such as TVs, computers, phones etc... Similar to the spy chips implants within the Supermicro server motherboards.

I wouldn't be surprised if this went well beyond Lebanon. It's time to start really scrutinizing our tech supply chain. I won't use any Israeli tech going forward.

Based on your comment history that's not surprising at all. I suppose you already know that just about every large corporation in the world has offices in/business with Israel?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by minkles »

secstate wrote: post #489
minkles wrote: post #417

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So what's your solution then? Incidentally it does work. It's just horrible. Nagasaki / Hiroshima are a fine example of forced capitulation. Now I'm not suggesting nuking anyone but the best way this ends, with the lowest future body count is someone wins decisively at this point.

Correction, the best way this ends now is that Bibi lives to a nice old age and dies of natural causes and not in prison. This is not the Empire of Japan. This is a poorly funded proxy war being kept just below a boil so certain members of Israel's political class are not found to be criminals.

I agree there to some extent, but believe me it's not going to be all roses if you change the leadership. It will just be different actors. And in the transition time, things will get worse. I think you are chasing the wrong solution.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by ineedasername »

lola-hart wrote: post #311
exe34 wrote: post #195

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>return the land to whom it rightfully belongs

History puts pretty much everyone in the world living on land that was taken from someone else at some point in time. And if we all did our best to move to where our parents/GPs/GGPs came from we'd again face the issue of that land having been taken previously.

This line of thinking is turtles all the way down and in no way a helpful path towards getting two peoples who believe in opposing views to stop killing each other.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by zild3d »

ang_cire wrote: post #375
Eliezer wrote: post #298

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They didn't compromise anything that looked Israeli, and targeted other companies.

You assume. They've cracked down hard on anti-war protesters inside Israel. It's absolutely not a safe, nor even likely true, assumption that Mossad does not also surveil Israelis.

> They've cracked down hard on anti-war protesters inside Israel

huh? There's been weekly protests for almost a year now and last week's was the largest yet with around half a million attending

https://www.timesofisrael.com/organizers-claim-largest-ever-...

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by kotaKat »

miki123211 wrote: post #293
dmicah wrote: post #167

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I think the variety of consumer electronics is too large to be limited to only a few large manufacturers.

I'm pretty sure you could run an entire household on nothing but Samsung at this point. Phone? Check. Watch? Check. TV? check. Washer? Dryer? Fridge? Dishwasher? All there. Laptop? Well, they at least used to make those, not sure if they still do.

"Someday you will drive your Sony to the sony to pick up some more Sony"

https://everything2.com/title/Someday+you+will+drive+your+So...

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by almogo »

ang_cire wrote: post #375
Eliezer wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't compromise anything that looked Israeli, and targeted other companies.

You assume. They've cracked down hard on anti-war protesters inside Israel. It's absolutely not a safe, nor even likely true, assumption that Mossad does not also surveil Israelis.

No they didn't? There's protests every day, "they" haven't "cracked down" on anything. Occasional arrests here and there on both sides of the protests. It's a democratic country, people have rights to express themselves.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by ivan_gammel »

borski wrote: post #480
ivan_gammel wrote: post #464

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It was not unfortunate collateral damage in the sense of unknown unknown. Civilian casualties must have been anticipated and nothing has been done to prevent them. It is not „accepted“ rules of war, but normalized disregard of human life.

Once again: watch any of the videos. The vast majority of them involve anyone standing around the operative walking away just fine. This was a targeted attack. Some civilians got hurt, but the intent was not to harm them, and that is the point.

> Once again: watch any of the videos

What makes you think that I did not watch them? And why do you think a few videos circulating online are representative of a few thousands explosions?

> Some civilians got hurt, but the intent was not to harm them

What makes „some“ any different than a hundred or a million? How can you be certain of the intent if civilian casualties were/should have been anticipated?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by afavour »

newspaper1 wrote: post #474
afavour wrote: post #315

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Terrorism targets civilian populations. This operation, as described, targets Hezbollah militants. That feels like an oversimplification to me. Some of those devices have surely injured civilians. I think the question is how many. Broadly it's the same question that's plagued Israel's actions since last October: there will always be civilian casualties as a result of military action, but how many is too many?

If a bomb blew up next to me in a grocery store, even if I wasn't injured, I'd consider myself "targeted" and that the people who exploded it were my enemy. Imagine that actually happening while you were at Safeway.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by [deleted] »

DevX101 wrote: post #197
mrtksn wrote: post #90

Ha, maybe this will be the turning point for international corporations becoming national-only? Or maybe make the big brands like Apple/Samsung the only trusted device manufacturers and completely wipe out the small ones? No iPhones exploded so far but I wouldn't be surprised if the paranoia takes over everywhere and local supply chains and local producers become a thing. "Foreign social media platforms" was already…

If they have the capacity to intercept the supply chain, they almost certainly have been implanting listening devices in electronics of all sorts. If you're not in Hezbollah or Hamas you probably don't need to worry about getting blown up by your phone, but if you've got a large platform and been very critical of Israel, it wouldn't be a huge stretch to imagine that you might get personally targeted by communication…

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by newspaper1 »

almogo wrote: post #491
newspaper1 wrote: post #265

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I wouldn't be surprised if this went well beyond Lebanon. It's time to start really scrutinizing our tech supply chain. I won't use any Israeli tech going forward.

Based on your comment history that's not surprising at all. I suppose you already know that just about every large corporation in the world has offices in/business with Israel?

What history? I don't even normally comment but this was crazy and horrible. I'm aware that companies have offices in Israel. I think that's quickly going to become a bygone era though. In fact, Intel just canceled a new Israeli office.
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