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https://english.alarabiya.net/2016/03/11/Arab-League-declare... I suspect it's somewhat inconsistent but they are a big problem for many states who are looking at political and economical stability.
Ah, this designation appears to be outdated -- it was rescinded a few months ago, according to https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-30/ty-article/ar...
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Israel has shown us (again) that we cannot trust any device whose full supply chain hasn't been properly audited. Which you can't really do at this scale. So yeah, literally anything you buy can apparently just be stuffed full of explosives waiting to kill you and anyone near you.
Yes. Explosives can be placed in any device that has a small cavity. This has always been true....
so how does one verify that the battery in their iphone doesn't contain explosives?
The supply chain for an iPhone is much stronger than for a Gold Alpha pager, and it's likely that the same thing will end up being true of these ICOM radios: they'll turn out to be designed and branded by ICOM, but actually manufactured and distributed by some random Eastern European outfit that paid to use ICOM as a skinsuit. That would never happen with an Apple device.
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It doesn’t look very surgical to me given the civilian casualties and general disregard of what can happen to innocent people. If anything this looks more like a state-sponsored terrorist attack than covert ops with collateral damage.
It is targeted, by definition. Every pager was owned by a Hezbollah member or was about to be. Same with the walkies. That there was collateral damage is unfortunate, but Israel was definitely not indiscriminately targeting civilians, which is what would make it terrorism. This was a surgical strike that happened to have some unfortunate collateral damage. Well within the accepted rules of war.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this went well beyond Lebanon. It's time to start really scrutinizing our tech supply chain. I won't use any Israeli tech going forward.
These things weren't made in Israel nor by Israeli companies. If a state wants you dead you're cooked anyways
The main way states exercise power is by making large enough shows of force that people behave exactly as you do, and roll over in submission. State powers may be able to silence, extort, or kill anyone, but they damn sure can't get everyone.
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Exactly! So if you choose to go to war with Israel the way Hamas and Hezbollah (Lebanon) did, you should also accept the consequences that follow… For example, get ready to have your entire military coms infrastructure blown up in a cyberattack. Why are we sitting here debating what’s a war crime and what isn’t, when Hezbollah (a designated guerrilla terrorist organization) deliberately chooses to go into war with Is…
I guess we now know what intelligence org had the know how for supply chain attacks we we're thinking impossible a few years ago... Thank god they are our allies. :)
Israel is not really an ally. They routinely spy on the US, and according the the CIA, spy on us as aggressively as the Chinese and Russians do. During the Cold war, they used intel as a bargaining chip and passed classified material to the Soviets. Their nuclear program was started primarily with stolen radioactive material that they exfiltrated from the US. These stories go on and on and on, and they're just the on…
I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…
I think it should not be considered terrorism to the extent that the attack targeted legitimate military targets during a time of war — broadly speaking, combatants and other parts of the organization that affect its ability to wage war. Terrorism, at least least in my view, is an attack that either intentionally targets civilians or is truly indiscriminate, and is aimed at producing political cha age by causing fear…
I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…
Imagine the paranoia that must be flooding Hezbollah right now. You can't function without your electronics...but you can't trust them at all now. You don't even know how many or which of your gadgets have been compromised to spy on you and for how long. Massive, massive L.
On the other hand: isn't risk to this enormous? What if they just abandon all electronics and conduct their _business_ "off grid"? Good luck tracking that down...
That was Hamas, not Hezbollah so maybe the latter didn't learn the lesson and left themselves open to this type of attack or retribution, depending on your individual perspective.
This may push things back to pencil and paper and sneaker-nets. It'll probably be a brief adaptation though since the temptation of technology is very real.