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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by vikramkr »

matwood wrote: post #306
cowl wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't justify the hostile language and the urgent last minute timing. (partners were notified just minutes before press release). They didn't wait even 30 min for the market to close causing MSFT to drop billions in that time. A mere direction disagrement would have been handled with "Sam is retiring after 3 months to spend more time with his Family, We thank him for all his work". And surely would be taken months…

> last minute timing Only feels last minute to those outside. I've seen some of these go down in smaller companies and it's a lot like bankruptcy - slowly, then all at once.

Announcing something huge like this before market close is not something that can be interpreted as anything other than either a huge timing mistake or a massive feeling of urgency

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by indymike »

woeirua wrote: post #185

This is turning into a situation that OpenAI may not be able to recover from. Typically if the CEO and Chair of the board depart under these circumstances there was something illegal happening.

> typically if the CEO and Chair of the board depart under these circumstances there was something illegal

When they are fired by the board, it sends a very different signal.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by yellow_postit »

johnwheeler wrote: post #84

Edit: I called it https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857 nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason. ———- I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever. Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907 Th…

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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by blackoil »

mlyle wrote: post #467
darkerside wrote: post #464

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> Without persistence outside of the context window, they can't even maintain a dynamic, stable higher level goal. I mean, can't you say the same for people? We are easily confused and manipulated, for the most part.

I can remember to do something tomorrow after doing many things in-between. I can reason about something and then combine it with something I reasoned about at a different time. I can learn new tasks. I can pick a goal of my own choosing and then still be working towards it intermittently weeks later. The examples we have now of GPT LLM cannot do these things. Doing those things may be a small change, or may not be t…

That just proves we real-time fine tuning of the neuron weights. It is computationally intensive but not fundamentally different. A million token context would look close to long short-term memory and frequent fine-tuning will be akin to long-term memory.

I most probably am anthropomorphizing completely wrong. But point is humans may not be any more creative than an LLM, just that we have better computation and inputs. Maybe creativity is akin to LLMs hallucinations.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by karmasimida »

johnwheeler wrote: post #84

Edit: I called it https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857 nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason. ———- I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever. Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907 Th…

Without Sam running the company, OpenAI can’t get what it is today.

And this time around he would have the sympathies from the crowd.

Regardless this is very detrimental to OpenAI brand, Ilya might be the genius behind ChatGPT, he couldn’t do it just himself.

The war between OpenAI and Sam AI is just the beginning

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by dkryptr »

Sebb767 wrote: post #333
symlinkk wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it’s a causal writing style that has become popular online in the last decade or so. don’t overthink it

It's usual in chats, not for formal writing like officially announcing your resignation. At least that's my impression.

To be fair, that's not a very formal resignation. He just... quit.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #132
duringmath wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think too highly of the government

What if government is also some frontend? Man I'm drunk in conspiracy theories tonight. Between a huge lay off and the Open AI fiasco please allow me indulge myself...

The Government is a front for the Illuminati.

The Illuminati are a front for the Jews™ (not to be confused with Jewish people).

The Jews™ are a front for the Catholic Church.

The Catholic church is a front for the Lizard People.

The Lizard People are a front for the Government.

Nobody is in control. The conspiracy is circular. There is no conspiracy. Everything in this post is false. Only an idiot cannot place his absolute certainty in paradoxes.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by lucubratory »

Apocryphon wrote: post #439
lucubratory wrote: post #421

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I don't think the person you are replying to is correct, because the only technological advancement where a new OpenAI artifact provides schematics that I think could qualify is Drexler-wins-Smalley-sucks style nanotechnology that could be used to build computation. That would be the sort of thing where if you're in favour of building the AI faster you're like "Why wouldn't we do this?" and if you're worried the AI m…

> I don't think it's correct not because it sounds like a sci-fi novel, but because I think it's unlikely that it's even remotely plausible that a new version of their internal AI system would be good enough at this point in time to do something like that Aren't these synonymous at this point? The conceit that you can point AGI at any arbitrary speculative sci-fi concept and it can just invent it is a sci-fi trope.

No, not really. Calling something "science-fiction" at the present moment is generally an insult intended to say something along the lines of "You're an idiot for believing this made up children's story could be real, it's like believing in fairies", which is of course a really dumb thing to say because science fiction has a very long history of predicting technological advances (the internet, tanks, video calls, not just phones but flip phones, submarines, television, the lunar landing, credit cards, aircraft, robotics, drones, tablets, bionic limbs, antidepressants) so the idea that because something is in science fiction it is therefore a stupid idea to think it is a real possibility for separate reasons is really, really dumb. It would also be dumb to think something is possible only because it exists in science fiction, like how many people think about faster than light travel, but science fiction is not why people believe AGI is possible.

Basically, there's a huge difference between "I don't think this is a feasible explanation for X event that just happened for specific technical reasons" (good) and "I don't think this is a possible explanation of X event that just happened because it has happened in science fiction stories, so it cannot be true" (dumb).

About nanotechnology specifically, if Drexler from Drexler-Smalley is right then an AGI would probably be able to invent it by definition. If Drexler is right that means it's in principle possible and just a matter of engineering, and an AGI (or a narrow superhuman AI at this task) by definition can do that engineering, with enough time and copies of itself.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by arthurcolle »

karmasimida wrote: post #495
johnwheeler wrote: post #84

Edit: I called it https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857 nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason. ———- I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever. Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907 Th…

Without Sam running the company, OpenAI can’t get what it is today. And this time around he would have the sympathies from the crowd. Regardless this is very detrimental to OpenAI brand, Ilya might be the genius behind ChatGPT, he couldn’t do it just himself. The war between OpenAI and Sam AI is just the beginning

Alec Radford always left out in these convos, curious

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by mcmcmc »

wordpad25 wrote: post #457
mcmcmc wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is OpenAI responsible for protecting Microsoft’s stock price?

Well if for nothing else they are their biggest partner and investor

Yeah and if antitrust regulators weren’t asleep at the wheel they’d be competitors
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