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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by Timon3 »

pfdietz wrote: post #489
Timon3 wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since we're in a thread that started with: > if other life exists, the chances of us being first would be really low given the size and age of the universe I assumed that I didn't have to re-state the assumption that other life exists as the basis for my argument.

That quoted statement is weird, since it doesn't make any use of the "size and age of the universe". I was assuming it was a poorly worded way of saying the size and age of the universe implied it was likely other life exists.

I'm not sure what your problem with the statement is. If there is other life (as well in, through the whole lifespan of the universe life starts somewhere aside from earth) it is incredibly unlikely we are the first. If there is no other life, we are the first. What is weird about it?

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by 7373737373 »

waterheater wrote: post #279
enterprise_cog wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no physical evidence whatsoever. The only “evidence” is hearsay. Also, the members of the committee can lie without repercussions, so I don’t believe them. And the military lies to the public all the time. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

>There is no physical evidence whatsoever. You do know that you literally can't make that claim in good faith, right? That is simply your belief and, in fact, is contrary to the testimony of all three witnesses, all of which were personally invited to speak before Congress because of what they know. Clearly, you were not invited, though I suppose that itself is a belief. All three witnesses claim that advanced milita…

> In this case, we do have historically-extraordinary evidence (submitted as sworn Congressional testimony and personal statements) of the existence of UAP.

If mere words are your standard of evidence, then we are different. I need to see/sense/understand myself to believe - material/physical and photographic evidence, and expert, scientific, independently confirmed, reproducible analysis. If you don't, I have a bunch of stories to tell you.

> You just don't accept one or more of the following underlying premises [...]

Really weird to presume this

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by pfdietz »

Timon3 wrote: post #491
pfdietz wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quoted statement is weird, since it doesn't make any use of the "size and age of the universe". I was assuming it was a poorly worded way of saying the size and age of the universe implied it was likely other life exists.

I'm not sure what your problem with the statement is. If there is other life (as well in, through the whole lifespan of the universe life starts somewhere aside from earth) it is incredibly unlikely we are the first. If there is no other life, we are the first. What is weird about it?

It's weird because if there are others, it's unlikely we are first, regardless of the age of the universe. So why was the age mentioned? (And size also, unless the universe were so extremely small there couldn't be very many others.)

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by 7373737373 »

solarengineer wrote: post #486
7373737373 wrote: post #481

Show us material and photographic evidence, as well as independent, scientific analysis, or shut the fuck up

Why would you want them to shut up? They have given information to those who can actually do something with that information - e.g. get into military and commercial workspaces, subpoena government and private sector persons for questions, seek budgetary audits and clarifications, etc. A person says "I swear under oath that there is so and so place. Visit for yourself and see". This person is not allowed to take pics…

This is more directed toward the (cultish) believers, the sensationalizers and those unable to document their statements without direct evidence (which the people in question may very well be unable to)

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by justanotherjoe »

RetpolineDrama wrote: post #262

All I can say is that the archives of these threads/comments are going to be _highly_ entertaining to our future-selves (hello future people reading this!). The amount of ignorance on display is overwhelming, and a lot of people who fancy themselves intelligent are going to struggle to come to terms with how they were so wrong for so long.

just want to point out that you just predicted future events to enable value judgement of present things. It's just like the people saying "You are on the wrong side of history", or "They will look so silly when people start dying off because of the vaccines." But don't feel too bad, everyone is doing it these days, even the educated ones. This is wrong because no one knows how things will play out. How sure you are is not so important as everyone is sure with their prediction. Right now UFO is still a 'strong' prediction, many scientists who are getting into bed with this and commenting on it being convincing are problematic to begin with, like michio kaku (a bestselling author who is still describing himself as a string theorist, still, a dead end and biggest waste of effort in physics). I'm gonna stick to the null hypothesis for now.

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by throwbadubadu »

MrYellowP wrote: post #475
throwbadubadu wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already imo most likely is they exist, but space is just so unimaginable huge, and also Aliens can at most go close to lightspeed. They didn't beat physics nor invented portals / wormholes? > They should be here already. Least likely for me out of the three options.. just our tinfoil hat love :)

> and also Aliens can at most go close to lightspeed. You're an expert in alien technology and civilizations far more technologically advanced than we are?

Nope, I gave my opinion with probabilities I feel reasonable, given our current understanding of physics and the limits imposed - and I didn't exclude anything. So what is yours? You are an expert and certainly know they invented some way of FTL travel? Otherwise, see..

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by Timon3 »

pfdietz wrote: post #493
Timon3 wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what your problem with the statement is. If there is other life (as well in, through the whole lifespan of the universe life starts somewhere aside from earth) it is incredibly unlikely we are the first. If there is no other life, we are the first. What is weird about it?

It's weird because if there are others, it's unlikely we are first, regardless of the age of the universe. So why was the age mentioned? (And size also, unless the universe were so extremely small there couldn't be very many others.)

You'd have to ask the person who mentioned the age. I disagree with that person, and I am not responsible for what they write.

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by throwbadubadu »

Xelbair wrote: post #462
throwbadubadu wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already imo most likely is they exist, but space is just so unimaginable huge, and also Aliens can at most go close to lightspeed. They didn't beat physics nor invented portals / wormholes? > They should be here already. Least likely for me out of the three options.. just our tinfoil hat love :)

did you even read what Fermi Paradox is?

Yes, and I find multiple of its assumptions if not unreasonable at least with a huge flexibility that would void it, as have been discussed since it being stated and as one can even read on Wikipedia? There are dozens of similar feasible argumentations that can unparadox it..

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by w0de0 »

RetpolineDrama wrote: post #253
dtx1 wrote: post #154

So just to give everyone here a bit of context. This hearing was not for the UFO Believers to be used as official disclosure. This was not to convince any skeptics out there this is real. This is a political tool for the congressional oversight committee (who themselves may not have any evidence) to put into record what they need to follow up on using their power of the purse and oversight rights. Is this an issue of…

First high-quality comment in this thread, and you absolutely nailed it.

It’s filled with grammatical, typographical, and logical mistakes. It’s disorganized. There are many sentence fragments and few whole thoughts. There is no thesis. One paragraph contains only sophomoric leading questions. The name Grusch - the subject himself - is misspelled.

What’s your metric for quality? Seems merely low-quality sophistry to me.

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by chiefalchemist »

dontlaugh wrote: post #391
nonethewiser wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China admitted it was their balloon but claimed it wasn’t the government’s, nor for surveillance. Does that mean China is just in on the conspiracy then?

It was definitely an out of control scientific balloon. Doesn’t mean the US didn’t also shoot it down to stoke the new Cold War.

The question is the source. Anyone could have put that in the air.
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