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Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by shaka-bear-tree »

idiotsecant wrote: post #32

The idea of posters getting real money instead of fake internet points when their posts do well seems interesting, but maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences. Moderation will be extremely important to prevent low-effort memes and content regurgitation and the like from saturating your main channels. Have you considered how you will encourage moderation and keep it free from the corrosive influen…

Have you considered a limit on user interactions per day? 10 posts/comments a day and 10 upvotes a day?

It seems counterintuitive to restrict users interacting with your platform, but I could also see it working the other way (I want to login and use my daily allowance instead of losing it).

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by SanderNL »

AH4oFVbPT4f8 wrote: post #213
inamorty wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps meta-moderation would work in this scenario? Randomly assign previous moderation choices (anonymizing the moderator) for users to rank. This could to identify moderators that are out of line. It could also lead to echo chambers though.

I do like /. meta-moderation, but I also feel that the ones contributing the most, interacting the most (via votes/comments) should have a vote to who they want their moderators to be on a regular basis.

Man: We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We're taking turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week--

Arthur: (uninterested) Yes...

Man: But all the decisions of that officer 'ave to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting--

Arthur: (perturbed) Yes I see!

Man: By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs--

Arthur: (mad) Be quiet!

Man: But by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major--

Arthur: (very angry) Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by mtrower »

shmatt wrote: post #95
jjcm wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did, but they weren't a fan of the paid model for interaction: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/147qzfb...

I swear, the current protests have shined a very odd light on the average commenting Redditor, they want * The website to be free * The API to be cheap * The ability to use a 3rd party app that does not track, advertise, or monetize you in any way * VCs to continue to pour hundreds of millions of dollars to run the site and never ask for an ROI Good luck kids

> * VCs to continue to pour hundreds of millions of dollars to run the site and never ask for an ROI

Do they? I sure don't. In fact VC involvement is just about the last thing I want out of anything I consider critical infrastructure...

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by p-e-w »

The fundamental problem with Reddit isn't ads, or freemium, or venture capital, or who is CEO, or even the API changes.

The fundamental problem is lock-in.

Once a site becomes big enough, its "users" effectively become owned by the site, because everything they care about is there, and the site controls access to it. Preventing another Reddit/Tumblr/Digg disaster entails solving this problem.

And with all due respect for the work you did on Non.io, I fail to see how it represents even the tiniest amount of progress in that regard. Notably, the payment model does not solve the problem, because if the site ever takes off, the temptation to milk the userbase for all they can give will become irresistible. And that means ads, dark patterns, blocking of third-party clients, censorship to appease advertisers and the mainstream press, etc. And then we're back to zero.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by mtrower »

jhatemyjob wrote: post #347
FlyingSnake wrote: post #109

I've spent enough time [Edit: on HN] to remember App.net¹ which was launched with similar fanfare but was shut down after few painful years of trying to find a PMF. The lesson I learned from that saga was HN might not be the best place to validate your product. We're too smart to diss even good ideas like DropBox. Go and talk to your potential customers and I hope the App.net story gives you some inspiration. 1: http…

I also want to add: HN is an especially bad place to validate this type of product because HN has the exact same interface as reddit. This post is popular because of its novelty, there is an incentive to upvote this post and say whatever OP wants to hear in order to get him to keep working on this project. Because "having alternatives never hurts". But it hurts the person developing the alternative. He already lost 4…

> He already lost 4 years of his life to this. Hopefully he wises up and pivots before he wastes another 4 years.

I think it's up to him to decide whether that time had value or not.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by mtrower »

abhibeckert wrote: post #345

> hope it's a better [model] than the freemium model we've been relying on for the last few years. It may be a better model for something, but it's impossible for this to be used on a "reddit-like" site. Reddit is a large community where many users are anonymous. A paid model means it will never be a large community and posters will never be anonymous. And while reddit has tried to make freemium work, I'm pretty sure…

> Also don't allow people to remove the ads by paying - you need to show ads to people with enough money to buy the stuff you're advertising. Exclusively showings ads to poor people does not work. Just make sure your ads aren't annoying.

I would definitely not pay money to a site that wanted to show me ads, regardless of my preferences, as a subscription member. Full stop.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by johnnyanmac »

dabluecaboose wrote: post #481
johnnyanmac wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the simplest around that is to pay the moderators. So given the $2 - $1 goes to the server - $.67 goes to the users you upvote - $.33 goes to the moderator(s) of the group you upvoted in. So there's actual incentive to want to mod to begin with, and less incentive to risk that by trying to game for post votes as well. Now ofc I already see a half dozen issues here, so we'd need to deviate strongly from reddit…

That sounds good on paper, but I can only imagine it would lead to even worse lowest-common-denominator chasing than exists on reddit right now. Why would the moderators choose to enforce quality standards when crappy (but highly upvoted) memes make them more money?

Ideally that's up to the community. The ideal counter-reaction of this is "Well I'll make my own sub, and attract people tired of memes". In this model, there will hopefully be a sizeable subscriber community, so you don't need to appeal to the masses if the ones willing to put their money where they mouths make the move.

But if not, and if memes are what subscribers want to use all their votes on, well... the experiment fails in my eyes (even if it may be a success as a business).

That's also why I feel we need at least two tiers of votes, personally. There will be times where you want to vote on a cheap but funny meme but you don't exactly want to say "yes, this is the content I pay for". A version of vote that says "I don't mind it but obviously you shouldn't make money on this" may help curb that as more of the super votes go to actual quality content. But nothing is bullet proof when you let the people decide.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by paul7986 »

root_axis wrote: post #36

Congrats on the hard work, and the idea is fine, but the problem is that tech like this is a cheap commodity in a massively oversaturated space, and without a hook that makes the platform exceptional (innovative/clever/beautiful design, unique aggregation features, inherently interesting content, reimagined user/content/moderation dynamics etc etc), this kind of thing is dead in the water because it lacks a network e…

HIre writers and or friends and create tons of posts with tons of comments ... true or not. Though nowadays you could get something like Chat GPT to create all the fake posts and comments until you marketed where a few users come and interact with the AI content then a few more and more and more and then less AI fake crap and more authenticity.

Im pretty sure this is how Reddit and many popular sites started. Fake it before you make it! Without interesting content you DOA.

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