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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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You're going to need to be specific because there is probably no less than 2 dozen 3-letter agencies who would want this level of access.

Exactly my point. Pick any three letters, they probably want it.

So your point is that you don't actually have any of the inside knowledge you were alluding to, you just have innuendo.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Uber was a normal developer word?? I don't remember hearing it used in developer circles. As to meta, yes, it's a common dev word. But Facebook is using it as short for "metaverse", which Zuck has admitted to lifting from Snow Crash's dystopian world.

Uber is a standard German word, which was often used in English as internet/gaming slang where you’d today use something like “hyper”, eg “uber awesome” or sometimes in video games “I am uber” (= “I am the best”).

Yes, it was used in gaming circles. I was questioning its use in dev circles.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Why not buy laptops that don't have cameras? They exist, and doing that would at least help to add economic incentive for the continued production of them.

I'm pretty sure that Apple never remove camera even if millions of people bought cameraless Clevo laptop.

That's almost certainly true. I wasn't asserting that purchasing laptops without cameras would make Apple (or anyone else) suddenly get off the camera train. I was asserting that if you (for instance) buy a Clevo because it lacks a built-in camera, that will encourage Clevo to keep making them.

I don't know the world of Apple machines, but at least outside of Appleworld there are several cameraless options out there from major manufacturers. I assume they're sold mostly to businesses, because I've worked at a few companies who only allow machines that don't have cameras and microphones built in.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Short of Zuck confessing to the authenticity of those messages, what sort of verification would you even expect? If Business Insider was libeling him, why didn't he sue them for it? The quote is consistent with his behavior and attitudes since then, and with other accounts of his behavior and attitudes at the time. I don't see any reason to believe it's a fake quote. People on HN get upset when the quote is posted be…

> Short of Zuck confessing to the authenticity of those messages, what sort of verification would you even expect? If Business Insider was libeling him, why didn't he sue them for it? Streisand effect?

Or because it wasn't libel. There is no evidence that it was libel, the man quoted has never said it was libel, so why are you laboring to defend this asshole billionaire who won't even defend himself? Cease your insipid simping.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

Is that true for cars made for markets that are not Germany? It's not that German car makers are inherently more ethical so I'd assume they do whatever they can get away with in whatever jurisdictions they sell their cars.

The issue with Tesla is _presumably_ not that they decided to make this available to employees out of sheer evil, but that they made it unavailable through negligence or incompetence. If they went into it thinking “this has to comply with (the rather strict German interpretation of) the GDPR”, this would be less likely to happen.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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> Short of Zuck confessing to the authenticity of those messages, what sort of verification would you even expect? If Business Insider was libeling him, why didn't he sue them for it? Streisand effect?

Or because it wasn't libel. There is no evidence that it was libel, the man quoted has never said it was libel, so why are you laboring to defend this asshole billionaire who won't even defend himself? Cease your insipid simping.

I don't like Zuckerberg and I think the quote is probably real.

Dismissing someone as a simp is worse than ad hominem because, while an ad hominem criticizes a trait that someone actually has, anyone who disagrees with you on this issue can be labeled a simp. Get over yourself; people can disagree with you for reasons other than being blinded by irrationality.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels.

I work in the industry. It's not a "vehicle" any more - it's a "platform" to "engage" with customers, i.e. sell your data and lock features behind ridiculous monthly fees. That is now the mantra of the automotive industry. It really kills any enthusiasm I have for new cars.

They could steal a term from gaming and call a car a "drive service".

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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News to me. I thought that ToF was well outside of human spectrum, like 850-950nm or so and really light power ratings. I’ve never heard of anyone fatiguing from it.

> I thought that ToF was well outside of human spectrum While I cannot give an exhaustive complete answer I think it is safe for me to at least mention that you don't need to be able to perceive it for it to have an impact. You don't perceive even a fraction of what impacts your body, from radiation to chemicals. The molecules still react to lots of other things that are not part of what the eye is supposed to sense.…

I've definitely felt the same thing when using a Kinect v2 to log into my windows computer a few years back

I dunno if the iPhone's face sensor uses that tech, but it hasn't caused any problems that I noticed if so

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

Can you elaborate why German products would be more privacy focused?

As a counterpoint, BMW started putting feature behind premium subscriptions couple years ago such as steering wheel. Such micro transactions are really hard to combine with privacy.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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I decided I’m never buying a Tesla because of this.

Follow-up: I changed my mind on this slightly because of this:

https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/4/6/23673339/tesla-camer...

It's true that this is not just a Tesla problem - it's a problem for all car companies. They all need to fix this.

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