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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by boplicity »

amelius wrote: post #482
elforce002 wrote: post #437

The discussion is creating 3 groups: First group is sure AI will be an enabler and it won't replace them; The second group is saying AI won't replace them at least in the near future (1~10 years); Then we have the third group, which is basically the sentiment the op is living rn: AI is taking away their hopes, dreams, and livelihood. Now, I think we'll see the strongest counterculture in human history against AI and…

Well, I can tell you that the first time I see some sufficiently advanced AI walking in the streets between the public, I will grab my baseball bat and smash it to pieces.

Yeah, but what if it's just a little canister scrubbing public toilets,trash cans, or something similar. Do you really want to destroy that? Will you even realize what you're seeing?

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by zajio1am »

scotty79 wrote: post #339
LesZedCB wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

universal basic income is not sustainable in the same way minimum wage was not sustainable, looking as how even $15/hr isn't enough to cover rent basically anywhere where they actually pay $15/hr.

> minimum wage was not sustainable I'm not sure what do you intend this word to mean. Minimum wage is sustained in many countries for many years. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/minimum-w... > looking as how even $15/hr isn't enough to cover rent basically anywhere where they actually pay $15/hr That's a bit different problem. What UBI could do is let people migrate away from very expensive places…

Minimum wage is sustainable because it is usually set based on economic reality of each country to a value that affects just a small percentage of laborers.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by ben_w »

amelius wrote: post #482
elforce002 wrote: post #437

The discussion is creating 3 groups: First group is sure AI will be an enabler and it won't replace them; The second group is saying AI won't replace them at least in the near future (1~10 years); Then we have the third group, which is basically the sentiment the op is living rn: AI is taking away their hopes, dreams, and livelihood. Now, I think we'll see the strongest counterculture in human history against AI and…

Well, I can tell you that the first time I see some sufficiently advanced AI walking in the streets between the public, I will grab my baseball bat and smash it to pieces.

I find it curious that even here there are people who conflate a robot body with an artificial mind.

Sure, you can put the computer running the mind that controls the body into the body itself, and there might even be good reasons to given spotty wifi or mobile data, but you don't have to.

Also: why embody them in human form at all?

https://www.tesla.com/drive

https://www.bostondynamics.com/products/spot

https://www.parrot.com/us/partner-ecosystem (FWIW I've never heard of these before, I just searched for AI drones…)

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by hokkos »

savef wrote: post #349
pdc56 wrote: post #332

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Curious - on a scale out of 10, how much of that was written by ChatGPT? No offense intended - if the answer is zero, my apologies

https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/ Using this tool on the comment yields a 77.6% fake score. To give (pretty limited) contrast, a response from ChatGPT gives 99.9% fake, and another comment from this thread gives 0.1% fake. I assume that means the comment text was GPT-assisted, with some moderate editing from a human.

I asked chatGTP to "write a hacker news like comment on the rise of website builders effect on web design and development industry and how to found joy in other roles and keeping programming in side hobby" and it gave me a 97% real comment by the score on this site, not convincing.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by Radim »

coldtea wrote: post #159
jay_kyburz wrote: post #139

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I don't think the conversion we need to have is about how to stop it, its about what we do with all the unemployed artists, accountants, journalists, truck and taxi drivers. Do we pay half of them to dig holes, then pay the other half to fill them? We just need to keep the economy wheel turning while everybody finds new meaningful work.

Who is "we"? The rich will decide, and probably that they can do without most of the "we".

I agree with that sentiment, just a small correction:

It's not the rich who will decide; it's the powerful. In the classical sense of "capacity to impose will" – up to and including the capacity to turn off {machines, humans, institutions}.

There's a strong correlation between wealth and power, but those groups are not identical. And neither are their staying prospects in the coming years.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by juvvel »

HervalFreire wrote: post #182
rafaelero wrote: post #78

When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

>Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is a nice way of putting it. It just shows how people have a tendency to deny a reality that may replace everything they stand for. What you will see as AI continues to get better along the obvious trendline is these "denial" arguments become more and more specific. First the AI will "never" replace jobs, then it will "never" replace specific jobs involving "progra…

Comments like this always read as "we can already extrapolate that everything we do will be done better by a machine soon". Pushing back against this argument isn't just ignorance or avoidance of change. It just asks the relevant question of whether we can be so sure that AI does everything "better". But how dare we challenge the hubris of tech bros, right?

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

elforce002 wrote: post #437

The discussion is creating 3 groups: First group is sure AI will be an enabler and it won't replace them; The second group is saying AI won't replace them at least in the near future (1~10 years); Then we have the third group, which is basically the sentiment the op is living rn: AI is taking away their hopes, dreams, and livelihood. Now, I think we'll see the strongest counterculture in human history against AI and…

My concern is around the class/income composition of the groups specifically in your group 3, and what kind of political forces their disillusionment and anger unleashes.

There are maybe parallels here to the 20s and early 30s in Europe, an era when there was a similar mass disenfranchisement of professional middle classes ("petit bourgeois"), artisans, and specialists... a corresponding mass anger and disillusionment.

And it was in large part those people who formed the base of the rising authoritarian right-wing / fascist movements in Europe.

It's not the most working class people who will lose the most jobs. There's no AIs coming to take away people's jobs cleaning cafeteria trays and mopping floors. It's paradoxically more expensive to automate manual labour or jobs with a high physical component. Competent meatspace robotics are hard and expensive. For now.

Instead it's people like us, used to a higher-privilege lifestyle, who have withstood the wave of previous automation and de-skilling. We're very expensive. And the people signing our paycheques I'm sure are salivating at the opportunity to de-skill and automate us away.

I hope I'm wrong, but I fear what could happen politically.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by jfengel »

quonn wrote: post #472
grumbel wrote: post #416

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Even prompt engineering is just a short term problem, that'll get solved and largely disappear within a couple of years, if not months. Making sense of natural language is after all what LLM are already really good at, they just haven't made their way into image generators yet. Another big issue that gets overlooked is that a lot of the problems that programming is used to solve today will disappear and no longer be…

> People today are thinking of ChatGPT as making it easier to build websites, software and such, but real the power of AI is that it makes all of that obsolete. Why bother browsing the Web when ChatGPT can just give you what you are looking for in whatever format you desire, without ever touching a website? I don‘t think it will play out like this. Companies currently build systems to make the data robust/structured,…

I found that companies are less interested in quality data than one might expect.

I worked in ontologies, focusing on making rigorous schemas for better data quality and easier integration. Our lunch was eaten by schemaless databases and big data. We protested that they wouldn't like what happened years down the line, but it was cheaper to start.

I don't mean to shake my tiny fist or overgeneralize my experience. But I think if AI gives good enough answers enough of the time, with a tiny fraction of the effort, people might just adapt around that model. People would rather have good now than great later. Or even mediocre now.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by codpiece »

amelius wrote: post #482
elforce002 wrote: post #437

The discussion is creating 3 groups: First group is sure AI will be an enabler and it won't replace them; The second group is saying AI won't replace them at least in the near future (1~10 years); Then we have the third group, which is basically the sentiment the op is living rn: AI is taking away their hopes, dreams, and livelihood. Now, I think we'll see the strongest counterculture in human history against AI and…

Well, I can tell you that the first time I see some sufficiently advanced AI walking in the streets between the public, I will grab my baseball bat and smash it to pieces.

You won't be able to. The aerial drones will take you out long before you reach for the bat.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by precompute »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #396
precompute wrote: post #333

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I don't think it was written by a LLM, the words have a warmth that generated text lacks. Plus you can tell it's written as if it's half-spoken.

> the words have a warmth that generated text lacks Reminds me of my philosophy teacher in high-school that gave me the best grade of the year and praised how "personal" it felt, for an essay I had bought online for 3 euros. The irony of it still makes me chuckle 15 years later.

Where's the irony?
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