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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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His tweets _were_ getting engagement. They locked his account[1]. 1. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2022/10/09/tw...

And now he is going to own a social media site so his account can't be locked.

Looks like that strategy worked out great for the other person who did that. What was his name again and what was that awful platform?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Same here. The notion of "free speech" was one of the most successful and liberating memes (in the original sense of the word) in human history. But with the advent of technology, overflow attacks on free speech make unrestricted speech as useless as no speech. It's like living in darkness, and then someone invents light, and everyone cries "more light", and it's great, and then after a while the light gets so bright…

Free speech to me is not going to jail for saying you think Hitler is a swell guy or you hate the president. It has nothing to do with protected algorithmic amplification of hate speech which is what a lot of bad actors are clinging to it for.

Exactly! Free speech is to protect you from being jailed or executed by the state for publicly held opinions. It has absolutely nothing to do with twitter, and I believe anyone arguing that it does is arguing in bad faith or out of ignorance to the actual purpose of the free speech clause of the first amendment.

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How could an average outside observer distinguish between another's mental illness and a guy who's just a real out of the box thinker who might be wrong about many ideas but might also add value to the world by perceiving reality in an atypical way? A lot of posters are claiming Kanye is mentally ill and unable to manage his own affairs. What is the direct evidence of this? And I don't simply mean "provide examples o…

>Kanye is mentally ill and unable to manage his own affairs. What is the direct evidence of this? One such was, according to him, an occasion when "they handcuffed him, drugged him, put him on the bed". Now despite this, I also don't agree with just handwaving the discussions then, like, oh he's mad, so everything strange thing he does must be because of that. I think that it's perfectly valid to be mentally ill on o…

> Even the "standard" way to recognize and classify mental disorders, the DSM-5, changes from one edition to the other.

Meaning, the definition of mental illness is within some social context or norm. Historically, homosexuality was deemed a mental illness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_DSM

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It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

Kanye makes me think of someone I knew. I knew a young woman once whose conversation was impossible to follow. She was a college graduate, and seemed intelligent. But, I think either her mind wandered, or else she simply lacked the capacity to reliably establish context in conversation. I assure you, I really tried to make sense of what she was saying to me. She was beautiful, and I was interested in her. (I say this…

It’s like trying to determine whether there’s actually signal there or just random noise.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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No, I refer to things like attaching counter opinions to opinions of people with high visibility for example. So if the concern is the power of the famous, never display their tweets alone, display it with a few other tweets. Maybe do issue follow ups, so if someone says something and later it is contested prioritise the contestants until they get similar reach. For example, if a politician says he never met with som…

> I refer to things like attaching counter opinions to opinions of people with high visibility for example That's what fact-checking is. It's widely heckled.

Is saying something is widely heckled similar to when someone says "we all know.." before making a controversial statement?

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There's a really concerning trend on HN and elsewhere I'm seeing. Everyone now seems to think free speech is too dangerous to try and promote anymore. It's been a shift over a couple years.

I'm not supporting Ye or any of his bullshit, but some of the comments on here are really chillingly authoritarian.

Parler isn't going to be able to maintain "free speech" even if they or Kanye want it to, which I seriously doubt anyway. They don't "have it now" and they won't have it tomorrow either. Still, it's strange how HN flips so violently against free speech when the content is obviously offensive and low quality.

People need to be better stewards of their own beliefs, not simply shielded from malicious, dim or unsavory ones out there in public.

As an aside, I can't believe celebrities have the sway they do. Today's breed talks like such imbeciles; I have no idea how they keep people's interest.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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I'm gonna be a contrarian here and say I'm genuinely excited to see what Yeezy does with the platform, assuming its not just a passing interest. For all his antics, his work in music and fashion is legit, and those two are a large reason people are on social media today. If we required artists be 100% free of mental illness, we would not have Van Gogh, Georgia O'Keeffe, Kusama Yayoi, Michelangelo, Brian Wilson, etc.…

The argument here is not that Kanye should be "mental illness free". Rather it's supposed that people around him exploit his vulnerability.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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He has personally admitted to being diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

I never want to be engaged in mind-reading, but it seems to me that the people who are shouting about him being mentally ill the loudest are doing so in a way to justify stifling everything he says, as if saying "he's mentally ill" ends any conceivable discussion about any of his ideas. I think my general question remains. "How could an average outside observer distinguish between another's mental illness and a guy w…

No one is accusing Candace Owens, for instance, as being mentally ill for her beliefs, and Bi-polar has some very specific tells.

It seems like consensus is able to make that distinction without too many problems.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

Twitter seems to induce madness in some celebrities. Elon Musk has been going off the rails as well.
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