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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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It's Fox News. I don't think they have any ethical care whatsoever.

Oh, I'm sort of aware of that reputation (of Fox News), but I just read 'Carlson', not a name I know.

He's a guy who Murdoch pays to say offensive things to drive engagement on Fox News :)

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Absolute free speech and anonymity is a toxic combination. Free speech in the way it was envisaged in the constitution presumes there is a feedback loop back to the emitter of the speech. Anonymity breaks that feedback loop. Anyone who tells you that free speech without consequences has ever existed pretty much anywhere is lying to themselves and to you. If you want anonymity you need some measure of bounds on speech…

Counterpoint to your anonymity argument: we’ve learned in that past few years that people are very much OK with being publicly identified with hateful ideologies/ideas, e.g. MAGA supporters. A lot of them publicly post and participate online under their real identities, a lot of of it on Facebook. Anonymity is only a deterrent when you are the odd one out. When the President of the US is the one spouting the insanity…

> Anonymity is only a deterrent when you are the odd one out. When the President of the US is the one spouting the insanity you don't have to hide anymore.

The problem with anonymous online echo-chambers is that it lulls those in the community that there are more of them in the real world than there really are, which emboldens people to take their online craziness into the real world. This goes for everything from politics to "The raid on Area 51"

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Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

"The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable."

Yes, this is what you'll end up getting on so called 'free speech' platforms. Because, unfortunately, these days what people really mean when they say 'free speech' is actually a veil for them to say hateful things about marginalized groups of people.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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How could an average outside observer distinguish between another's mental illness and a guy who's just a real out of the box thinker who might be wrong about many ideas but might also add value to the world by perceiving reality in an atypical way? A lot of posters are claiming Kanye is mentally ill and unable to manage his own affairs. What is the direct evidence of this? And I don't simply mean "provide examples o…

He has personally admitted to being diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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He's diagnosed bipolar, so mental illness is definitely in the mix.

Good thing we have Kanye’s physician in the comments to make that determination.

He's stated it publicly, it's not like this is rumor or conjecture.

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Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

I used to be free speech absolutist, but I am not any longer, especially when it comes to social media. The argument in favor of absolute free speech for me was basically “let everyone hear everything and make up their own mind”. This presumes that people are swayed by the content of an argument. This is a false assumption, people are mostly swayed by the volume of the argument. This is well documented in psychologic…

> limits on the ability to get speech amplification

Well, you're the only person I've ever seen suggest that social media distribution be limited by author rather than viewpoint. Although I disagree, I'm not quite sure how that could be managed, either.

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Hey guys, I have an idea: why don't we try building free-speech protocols rather than free-speech platforms? Humans are fallible. We like to think we could build something where people can talk freely, but if the ability to censor something we don't like is presented, at some point nearly everybody will take that action because they personally deem it necessary for some greater good. Ultimately, protocols that cannot…

"true free speech" is not something that is free of problems. Child Porn, Revenge Porn, National Defense secrets leaking, instructions for Chlorine Gas masquerading as instructions for making Play-Doh, libel and slander, weaponized disinformation, doxxing, harassment, threats of violence. I get there are advantages to avoiding censure, in many extremely important situations. But don't pretend like it doesn't also hur…

Life is full of hurt. That's a reality people can't come to terms with.

"Don't let perfect be the enemy of good."

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

Serious question: is it a scam if they're both delusional, as it were?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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"true free speech" is not something that is free of problems. Child Porn, Revenge Porn, National Defense secrets leaking, instructions for Chlorine Gas masquerading as instructions for making Play-Doh, libel and slander, weaponized disinformation, doxxing, harassment, threats of violence. I get there are advantages to avoiding censure, in many extremely important situations. But don't pretend like it doesn't also hur…

Life is full of hurt. That's a reality people can't come to terms with. "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good."

Communication that can be censored is good.

"true free speech" is the perfection you're striving for.

"Life is full of hurt." Are you an arms dealer? Why not? It's profitable, and sure, people get hurt, but what's the problem with that?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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and these Parler people are scamming him - that's an interesting point I hadn't thought of. My first thought on hearing this news was so what? I don't care about Parler or Kanye West, but if Parler is taking advantage of Kanye's mental decline then that's next-level awful. Like I said, I'm no fan of Kanye, but that's horrible to take advantage of people like that.

I really wish people understood this more. Anecdotally, I'll never forget the time I was around him and some of his people. This when he was just coming up as a rapper but well known to be a producer. Just a little club appearance, and there was some odd technical issue. I've never seen a human being who more obviously "sought the approval of others." He has this weird negative charisma; like there are some people wh…

No wonder he's tried running for president. Seems to be a trend amongst narcissists.
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