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Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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As something of a counterpoint, a literal 4-hour assignment isn't that bad--especially as an alternative to a day of interviews. If they give you the assignment and it's immediately obvious that it's actually a 20+ hour assignment, you can always just walk. When I worked for a technology analyst company, we would ask for writing samples--which most potential hires would already have. But, if someone didn't, they'd ha…

No it's not. When i do interviews in-person (even if virtual) , I get the benefit of meeting my future colleagues and learning more about the company. It's much more a two-way benefit, versus an assignment where only one party (the company) gets any information from the other (me). > When I worked for a technology analyst company, we would ask for writing samples--which most potential hires would already have. But, i…

> The equivalent in tech is asking for a portfolio, which I have an ample amount of on github. I'm more than happy to hand this over to potential employers for them to gauge my work.

I don't have a very large open source portfolio, but I it's probably bigger than 95% of the people I work with, I don't think my open source work is particularly representative of my abilities.

Companies want to have a somewhat standardized hiring process so that they can evaluate candidates fairly, and most professional developers people don't do much open source work.

Someone having an impressive open source portfolio, might be a good signal that they are a great hire, but I don't think it's a good general strategy for hiring.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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I have family. I suspect a lot of senior engineers do. My interpretation of "DevOps" suggests a lot of on-call time. Junior heavy and senior poor makes me think you're not presenting an appropriate work-life balance. Younger SWEs are far more willing to sign on for that kind of thing.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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post #196

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I don't know what the law is. Years ago, but I've been paid for doing a focus group in cash. So there's presumably some threshold where you can just have essentially a petty cash business expense. Obviously meals and so forth as well. (And, assuming the law hasn't changed, US government employees have to pay for even a modest meal at a company's executive briefing center.) OTOH, I've had 1099s for even very modest si…

> So there's presumably some threshold where you can just have essentially a petty cash business expense. $600

Documented anywhere?

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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The thing with 4hr technical assignments is that you're saying no to anyone with kids, which I'm going to venture applies to more senior people than juniors. I used to do these assignment. Now I simply don't sorry. My schedule is 6:30 AM wake up with youngest daughter, to let wife sleep in (she takes care of her all night) 9:00 AM hand off youngest daughter to wife, who takes both girls the rest of the day. I go to m…

"The thing with 4hr technical assignments is that you're saying no to anyone with kids" Is 4 hours the amount of time the candidate is being given to complete it, or roughly how long the employer expects it will take? In the past I've generally come up with tests I know can be done in an hour or so (2 tops), but allowed 24 hours, exactly because not everyone is going to be in a position they can dedicate those 2 hour…

Take home test as the first step in an interview process is the ultimate evil in this. I've spent hours then got ghosted. I will never do it again. This is a "run like hell" signal imo.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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post #493
post #223

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> So there's presumably some threshold where you can just have essentially a petty cash business expense. $600

Documented anywhere?

https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-1099-misc

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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> Take-home technical assignment (~4h) or similar at candidate's choosing If I can get a similarly-paying job at a place that doesn't do this, I'll skip you. Many seniors ( actual seniors, not 3-years-of-experience seniors) have a network and can say "hey I'm looking" and instantly have multiple options that won't have them do more than talk to the team and manager for an hour or two. If that.

The thing with 4hr technical assignments is that you're saying no to anyone with kids, which I'm going to venture applies to more senior people than juniors. I used to do these assignment. Now I simply don't sorry. My schedule is 6:30 AM wake up with youngest daughter, to let wife sleep in (she takes care of her all night) 9:00 AM hand off youngest daughter to wife, who takes both girls the rest of the day. I go to m…

One more data point here. As a father of three it took me a month to get around to doing a 2-3 hr take home coding exercise. I clocked in at about 2h15m, but yes, really, it took me a month to find 2.25 free hours with the energy required to even begin something like a take home coding thing.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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There is not a single respectable startup in existence that will give a random employee options or stock with liquidation preferences. For 99.9% of startups that would involve making a new class of shares for you, which ain’t gonna happen. Investor is of course completely different for many reasons and I’m not speaking to that. And anyways unless you are leading the round, which you aren’t, you are just getting whate…

Nobody would give you preferred stock, which is why you need to demand an absolutely absurd premium on the amount of common stock that they offer. Also, it generally doesn't need a new class of shares, just a vote by the board. Edit: Just to clarify, if you want to hire a mercenary, you can't do it expecting that they will take the same value of your stock that your true believer investors took without any of the gua…

This just doesn’t make sense though. A company is going to have some standard bands of compensation, and if you demand something way outside of the bands based on your own feelings of stock value, they aren’t going to hire you no matter how great you are. Part of the reason companies can give generous stock grants are precisely because they are the lowest tier of stock.

This also is a stupid thing to bargain: if the company keeps growing, preferred and common will be worth the exact same thing. So instead of trying to extract better preferences on the stock (which you won’t), join a fast growing company and leave if it stops growing fast.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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I would say take what most 'financially savvy' people say with a grain of salt and go ahead and do your own research or find an actual professional to sort through the details. The average lifespan of a company on the S&P 500 is dropping fairly quickly, which puts the risk of a single investment going to 0(or on a long haul downward trend) higher.

Obviously "doing your own research" is good but I think the question is totally reasonable in a tech forum where probably a very large percentage of people here have gone through this process. Also, they asked specifically about Apple. Companies that are sitting on massive amounts of cash and have trillion dollar valuations don't disappear over night, they're not gonna "drop out of the S&P" any time in the foreseeabl…

What question? Did you even read the comment I was responding to(which was not the OP)?

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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POST THE SALARY. Senior people are senior because of their work experience, which they gain from steady employment. Almost by definition you are looking to entice busy, employed people away from their current jobs. They don’t have the time or inclination to trawl through job ad after job ad. Where your competition will ask for 15 years of experience and then only after hours of calls and meetings reluctantly make an…

I've tried to advocate for this at my organization and been told that we don't want people primarily motivated by money...

What other motivators do they think they offer?

I mean, I am primarily motivated by the work, being something that I enjoy, but I already have a job that provides that. I need that and more to consider a move to another job.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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post #326

POST THE SALARY. Senior people are senior because of their work experience, which they gain from steady employment. Almost by definition you are looking to entice busy, employed people away from their current jobs. They don’t have the time or inclination to trawl through job ad after job ad. Where your competition will ask for 15 years of experience and then only after hours of calls and meetings reluctantly make an…

I've tried to advocate for this at my organization and been told that we don't want people primarily motivated by money...

> I've tried to advocate for this at my organization and been told that we don't want people primarily motivated by money...

Oh good, i do not want bosses only motivated by my work output either :)

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