Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO • Hacker News Board

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by atoav » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 1:36 AM UTC

nickysielicki wrote: post #400

frisco wrote: post #25

I increasingly believe that Facebook’s pivot to Meta will end up going down as one of the biggest misses in the history of business. The metaverse is a real idea yes - but strapping a phone to your face and walking through your coffee table isn’t it. Especially not with a mediocre centralized FB owned “virtual world” where they inflict heavy taxes and content moderation. Facebook has neglected its core businesses for…

To play devils advocate, Facebook is more essential to my life than it ever was before. * Marketplace was a huge success in terms of subsuming Craigslist. The quality of posts and the volume of postings makes me rarely even check Craigslist anymore. * Small forums for various hobbies are almost entirely driven by Facebook groups now, instead of in the past where you’d find some custom bulletin board where the last po…

I haven't logged into Facebook in the past 4 years and I don't know why I should. Most people I deal with (a decade younger) never had an account at all.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by jtdev » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 1:41 AM UTC

gkoberger wrote: post #125

I hadn't seen this before today, but NY Times claims that around a year ago (after the Jan 6th insurrection), Zuckerberg and Sandberg started to go their separate ways. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/08/business/mark-zuckerberg-... "The pair continued their twice-weekly meetings, but Mr. Zuckerberg took over more of the areas once under her purview. He made the final call on issues surrounding Mr. Trump’s spread of…

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Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by lumost » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 1:53 AM UTC

LegitShady wrote: post #475

lumost wrote: post #458

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Possible, but what does that say about their algorithm that they only give me stuff I don't want? At this point I login to FB maybe once a month to check community groups for my neighborhood. Animals could be a similar “no fill” response reflecting that your network doesn't have much going on.

>what does that say about their algorithm that they only give me stuff I don't want? Do you engage with political content on facebook or other platforms where facebook has tracking agreements? they're maximizing engagement. facebook knows I'm way more likely to click on a "we rescued a dog" video than political stuff, so doesn't show me political stuff. Their data points don't just come from the facebook website.

Possible, but that wouldn't explain the lack of posts from anyone else. I checked once or twice, but at most I see folks organically posting once every 6 months or less - at this point I think I'd be surprised if anyone saw those posts.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by dgfitz » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 2:11 AM UTC

glofish wrote: post #462

miohtama wrote: post #449

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> Each of these: Markeplace, Forums, Messenger are non sticky and with countless alternatives True, but they are harder to maintain because of the spam. Facebook has more data on genuine users than a bank and it’s easy for them to block low quality or fraud posts. That’s the true value of Facebook - they know more about of your life than you do.

> they know more about of your life than you do. Not so sure that they do. If they knew so much about me why is it that I dislike most that they show me? Perhaps - and that is now the most worrisome thought - that crap is the "best" they can show and everything else is much worse. Now that does not bode well for FB's future. Or Meta's, whatever, even their brand feels a lot dumber now.

> If they knew so much about me why is it that I dislike most that they show me?

Disliking what they show you doesn’t mean they know less about you than a bank. It just means they’re not yet perfect in utilizing said information.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by bavell » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 2:16 AM UTC

zenmaster10665 wrote: post #301

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #271

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One thing I don't get is why there is a such high regard of visual input. I mean, we can speak to our friends since the telephone age, and we can see them on screen too since maybe the 90s. Is there a huge demand to actually see them IN THE SAME ROOM ? I really don't think so. But maybe future generations have different ideas. I think VR can make a lot of difference in training (e.g. medical training) but it's not co…

Isn't this the same argument as 'we have telephones. Why do we ever need to see the people on screens, isn't voice enough?' Feeling truly present with someone isn't possible in 2d

> Feeling truly present with someone isn't possible in 2d

Or in VR for that matter...

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by lawgimenez » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 2:16 AM UTC

discordance wrote: post #476

lawgimenez wrote: post #444

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From where I'm from (Southeast Asia), Facebook is very essential too. From catching up with family, friends and most of the businesses here prefers transacting on Messenger. We don't really care about Metaverse or anything of the same nature. I think that is just an American thing.

The role Facebook plays in SE Asia cannot be understated. They are still taking money and being used to manipulate the outcome of elections, the most recent example being with Marcos in the Philippines. Foreign Correspondent covered this well: https://iview.abc.net.au/show/foreign-correspondent/series/2...

I am aware of this. This is rampant in every country regardless.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by edmundsauto » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 2:21 AM UTC

my69thaccount wrote: post #35

rr808 wrote: post #18

Whatever you think of FB politics (which I'm not sure how much influence she has), ops wise she has done an outstanding job at FB to make it run.

What are you talking about? She is the face of the Cambridge Analytica scandal.

What does this mean to you? I'm actually not sure what the actual impact of CA was (Democrats claim it got Trump elected?) I also have no idea what her personal culpability is - it seems possible that FB had a leaky walled garden, and then their standard ad targeting mechanisms were used to achieve aims orthogonal to democracy?

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by datashaman » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 2:26 AM UTC

blue_box wrote: post #387

senko wrote: post #137

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They also copied the timeline feature from Twitter. Before that, people had a wall and you could go there and read what they wrote and poke them ... remember poking? They do seem rather good at buying good product companies or copying ideas, which could serve them well in the metaverse-space (ugh...), once it's established.

No, they bought FriendFeed for that.

I miss that site. It had a real sense of community, threaded conversations that worked, no suggested posts, no adverts woven into the content. Then it was gone.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by tempsy » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 2:28 AM UTC

tejohnso wrote: post #434

tempsy wrote: post #96

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-44% ytd lol why write something in bad faith?

Why assume bad faith? You said "past few months" and so I quickly pulled up a 3 month history which is a dropdown option in the UI I was looking at. I replied with what I saw.

anyone who follows the stock market will not accuse me of being hyperbolic about FB’s stock plummeting in recent months, and yes 5 months is also “a few” lol…

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Post by prawn » Thu, Jun 02, 2022, 2:29 AM UTC

Miraste wrote: post #223

lapetitejort wrote: post #124

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VR Chat is Second Life 2.0. Horizon Worlds is shaping up to be VR Chat 0.8. People Make Games interviewed people in VR Chat [0] and gave great examples of how behind (intentionally in some cases, in terms of not having lower halves of avatars) Horizon Worlds appears to be. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PHT-zBxKQQ

I've used both and Horizon Worlds' lack of development is mind-boggling. It's positioned as the crown jewel of the Metaverse, the core from which Facebook will build the rest of the concept, and yet it's so barebones it's like no one is even working on it. VRChat has completely user-made avatars. To support this, they have a robust content moderation system with a fair amount of user control, and bounded performance…

I imagine they're going with Mii-like avatars because they have business contexts in mind. What they could do instead is to give people at least two avatars for different contexts and then let the tool/environment set which they're using.

e.g., if you're in a business meeting, it automatically runs with your Mii-like avatar, otherwise if you're roaming a desertscape to relax on the couch after dinner, you can be a pink lemur in a cape and cowboy hat. Might as well prep for both contexts now rather than putting off either potential customer.