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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by la6472 »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #333
joshvm wrote: post #255

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You can visit for 90 days but what you're allowed to do is restricted to tourism and "temporary business". The US substantial presence test is actually something like 31 days in the current year, and ~180 calculated as a weighted sum of presence over all visits in the preceeding few years. That's just to determine if you should pay tax, and note that vacations to the US contribute. Whether you can legally work in the…

I propose people start reconsidering this imposed situation that exists between the people who do the work and the government, i.e. the parasitic ruling class. And to clarify, I say that as someone who is not at all “leftist” oriented, even though it may seem so at first glance of reading that to some. This situation we currently essentially globally have, at least in the west, is quite an abusive system that is real…

Using tax to build roads , fund schools , maintain community parks , allocating to providing care for the poor and defense funding is not “slavery” and there is no “ruling class”. You can be a burecrat or become a politician if you want. The system may not be perfect but certainly better that half assed solutions that makes no sense.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by lultimouomo »

dannyw wrote: post #412
lultimouomo wrote: post #226

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> I think everyone wins here. Everyone except the cities that have already lost a quantity of apartments and offices that have been repurposed as AirBnBs...

Build more apartments.

Building more apartments has a huge environmental impact. Also it can severely impact the beauty of a city.

Building them if there is an actual housing shortage? Sure! Building them so people from the silicon valley can be digital nomads? Hell no.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by ghaff »

bkor wrote: post #344
trash3 wrote: post #276

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My understanding is, for an American in a EU country, is they can go and work remotely there for the 90 days as long as they are not conducting business in said country. This means face to face business meetings with clients. When you log in remotely to your job based in the USA and not interacting with people directly during the tourist stay, you're in the clear... I think?

> My understanding is, for an American in a EU country, is they can go and work remotely there for the 90 days as long as they are not conducting business in said country. That's not legal. To work in the EU you need a work visa. Though they ignore the business trips. What's legal and what's checked are different things. E.g. new foreign colleagues need to get a tax id in The Netherlands before they do any work. Does…

I (from US) can't speak to the actual laws. But with respect to "what's checked," I've been asked the purpose of my visit at immigration in countless countries around the world and I'm always completely open about attending conferences and meeting with customers and no one over decades has batted an eye. (Of course in the handful of countries I did explicitly need business visas--like China--I got one.)

Of course, there are a lot of unenforced laws on the books, but I'm a little skeptical that the millions and millions of people who travel cross-border on business trips every year are all mostly breaking immigration laws.

To be fair, my experiences are all on relatively short trips--a few weeks at most and usually less. Perhaps there would be more issues if I were staying 90 days and was open about workationing the whole time.

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Post by ajkjk »

carlivar wrote: post #195
missedthecue wrote: post #130

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I do too. I think a lot of people who spend work hours browsing the web don't like them.

Found the management.

Cynical comment, don't you think? I like open offices and I'm a dev. It's not that inconceivable that people have different preferences, right?

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Post by rcpt »

post_break wrote: post #474
noduerme wrote: post #307

Sooo.. w/o getting into my history too deeply, my ex and I left the US in 2006 and worked freelance/remote. Wired did an article about us in 2008 living in a solar van when that was, like, unheard of. It seems like every few years a new batch of people want to try this approach, and it's always popular with the press to write about it. Sometimes it works out. I think it's a great way to live, and it teaches you a lot…

If you're a renter this is squatter bait. You better know the squatter rules before ever considering doing rentals off the books like that.

I don't follow

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by ericmay »

JusticeJuice wrote: post #484
ericmay wrote: post #456

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I'm not sure when this 90-day rule was written, but I imagine it was written in a time before now with high-performance laptops, video conferencing, common jet travel, and people wanting to work 30 days here, 90 days there, 120 days over there, etc. This should be revisited. Also I think this is a good example of the need to have expiration dates on new laws and regulations. This should be something that expires and…

90 days is the standard tourist visa length for most countries, so it would be to match that.

No need to match

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Post by maxlamb »

oxfordmale wrote: post #404
maxlamb wrote: post #370

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I believe that’s not what government laws says (for any country). Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but pretty much all countries/states consider you working there if you are physically present there. Your VPN or where your “commercial output” is, is not considered a factor at all by governments.

Most countries only care if you are taking a job that a local could have done. That is clearly not the case if you work remotely. If anything you are increasing local jobs by paying for your accomodation and food. Once again this has been reviewed by laywers at different companies who have deemed this risk to be acceptable. There might be countries that will arrest you if you read your corporate mail while on holiday…

I understand that it would make sense for governments to not care since it’s money coming in and not displacing local workers. But the laws are still there, saying it’s illegal. If they weren’t, governments wouldn’t come up with special “digital nomad visas” for that specific situation.

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Post by ajkjk »

psyclobe wrote: post #126
ajkjk wrote: post #93

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Obligatory reminder that this stance isn't universal and some people do like open floor plans (such as myself).

Thats called the break room

It is really strange to me that anti-open-office people (and in general anti-office people) often don't understand (or don't believe?) that other people just have radically different preferences to them.

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Post by digianarchist »

oxfordmale wrote: post #404
maxlamb wrote: post #370

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I believe that’s not what government laws says (for any country). Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but pretty much all countries/states consider you working there if you are physically present there. Your VPN or where your “commercial output” is, is not considered a factor at all by governments.

Most countries only care if you are taking a job that a local could have done. That is clearly not the case if you work remotely. If anything you are increasing local jobs by paying for your accomodation and food. Once again this has been reviewed by laywers at different companies who have deemed this risk to be acceptable. There might be countries that will arrest you if you read your corporate mail while on holiday…

Mexico is one of the few countries that legally allows remote work on tourist visas and a common complaint is that remote workers are driving up rents.

Allowing unrestricted access to your country by remote workers will have economic impact.

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Post by almost_usual »

ghaff wrote: post #468
somethoughts wrote: post #112

I'm kinda of curious how this works if you are remote: "Most of you should expect to gather in person every quarter for about a week at a time. Some roles, especially senior roles, will be expected to gather more often. We’ll do our best to define windows when most large team off-sites will occur and give you plenty of notice so you can make it work with personal and family plans." Is this like just plan to be in the…

A week of travel a quarter is not at all unusual for a lot of professional jobs including people with families. In fact, for a fair number of jobs, that would be considered not a lot of travel.

I used to travel every 6 weeks in my 20s for work and it was fine. I won’t travel at all now and it’s also fine. People will figure out what works for them, there will continue to be high paying jobs that are flexible.
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