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Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by brahadeesh »

ballenf wrote: post #443
mediascreen wrote: post #412

I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

> we fragment and destroy the entire Internet I would call fragmenting these things rebuilding the internet. Not sure how consolidating everyone on a few Mailchimp type services is in anyone's interest.

Exactly. If this make European startups build their own ecosystem and provides me with an alternative for the services I use but don't track me, I'm going to switch - simple as. I see this as a win for the internet.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by germanier »

iicc wrote: post #474
someotherperson wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and when you go shopping and pay with cash in a store with no surveillance, your shopping habits are being shared against your wishes with a random third party (the external company bookkeeper). It's disingenuous to have problems with websites collecting entirely anonymous browsing data -- that goes beyond any arguments for privacy and just steers into "yelling at clouds" territory.

>your shopping habits are being shared against your wishes with a random third party (the external company bookkeeper). GDPR requires data sharing to be done for a defined purpose. The purpose of sharing data with an external company bookkeeper for bookkeeping is not remotely connected to any purpose an analytics service fulfills. So while the shared data is capable of the same insights, it's explicitly illegal for i…

It's still legal to ask your bookkeeper to go through the books and give you a list of your 10 best selling products broken down by season (given you have all the right paperwork in place with them etc. but no consent of the customers needed).

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by martin_a »

jimmaswell wrote: post #472
martin_a wrote: post #453

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I should have a right that you should not save my personal information longer than needed. Now what?

No, you shouldn't. If I make an observation, that's my observation, my data. I should have full rights to observations I made myself, regardless of if it involves you. Europe has this 100% backwards.

What would you think if somebody told you this, after following you or your kids the entire day, while taking pictures and notes?

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by martin_a »

quicksilver03 wrote: post #485
martin_a wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IP addresses are considered to be PII so you need to either truncate them before saving or have a deletion routine in place.

IP addresses are PII when they can identify a person, and that's not always the case, e.g. a company network using NAT for outgoing connections so that dozens, if not hundreds of people appear from the same IP address.

How are you supposed/able to make that decision on a log level?

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by usr1106 »

germanier wrote: post #469
elevader wrote: post #457

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GDPR also applies to the real world. That store is definitely not allowed to share data about your shopping habits with some third party without your explicit consent. For example government departments in Germany have to aks for your explicit permission beforehand if they need to request/share data with a different department.

This is in general not true and German government departments share data with different departments all the time without explicit consent of the affected citizen. This is also not a good example as there are additional legal restrictions for government departments which businesses don't need to obey.

If the sharing is not required by any law they have to ask. Sometimes they do. I'm sure there are cases where they share without either of the precondition met.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by mediascreen »

ballenf wrote: post #443
mediascreen wrote: post #412

I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

> we fragment and destroy the entire Internet I would call fragmenting these things rebuilding the internet. Not sure how consolidating everyone on a few Mailchimp type services is in anyone's interest.

I already get a lot of "We are sorry, but for legal reasons we are prevented from providing this service where you live" when I'm accessing American websites.

Recent European judgements seems to make it illegal to embed content from YouTube or Vimeo for example.

I don't see how dividing services up by region will help me anyway. I'd rather be able to choose from a few (I imagine there are more than a few at the moment) international Mailchimps than one in EU.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by coredev_ »

jdrc wrote: post #446
i5heu wrote: post #433

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That’s okay. The EU can build it itself when the US player are not able to not send data to their US data centres.

I don't think it can. Maybe they can buy yandex, but i think europe has drained its talent tothe US. And even if they build it, how will they monetize it?

I don't belive that to be true at all - EU have a lot of great SaaS/tech companies that emply a lot of really talented people. What EU need more of however is vc money.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by swlkr »

The EU privacy regulations seem to have a side effect of creating a de facto EU internet, where EU competitors can become dominant because they pay closer attention to changes in law vs north american or chinese counterparts.

It’s almost like a more subtle version of china or russia’s firewall

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by jimmaswell »

martin_a wrote: post #493
jimmaswell wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you shouldn't. If I make an observation, that's my observation, my data. I should have full rights to observations I made myself, regardless of if it involves you. Europe has this 100% backwards.

What would you think if somebody told you this, after following you or your kids the entire day, while taking pictures and notes?

It would be weird, but sure, no difference. This is what a private investigator already does legally.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by usr1106 »

someotherperson wrote: post #311
eps wrote: post #285

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> the privacy-first analytics tool Don't be coy. Call it what it is - an analytics service . And as such it falls largerly in the same bucket as GA, because if someone's using Simple Analytics, my surfing data - against my wishes - is being shared with some random third party. Whether it's less, more or comparably evil as GA is secondary.

Yes, and when you go shopping and pay with cash in a store with no surveillance, your shopping habits are being shared against your wishes with a random third party (the external company bookkeeper). It's disingenuous to have problems with websites collecting entirely anonymous browsing data -- that goes beyond any arguments for privacy and just steers into "yelling at clouds" territory.

If you pay by cash the shop has no personal data about you.
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