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The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by emkoemko »

charcircuit wrote: post #211
notfed wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unclear what you're talking about then; edit and clarify. Even the most generous interpretation sounds like a backdoor.

You could imagine it as every chat having additional participant which is a person who has a valid warrant. There is nothing secretive about this, nor is it bypassing the cryptographic system somehow. If I send you an encrypted message, is it a backdoor if you are able to decrypt it? No, because that's how it's indented to work.

if the service can get your conversations then it is a backdoor simple...

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by lenkite »

RustyConsul wrote: post #420
Joeri wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free society means limited government, and the only way for the government to be in favor of that is for the government to vote against its own interests. I would argue that a free society protects people’s rights, and this is impossible without a strong government. As for voting against its own interests, the government in a true democracy is quite literally the will of the people. We get what we vote for. So if peo…

A democratic government is a government built and run for the 51%. Technically, pure anarchy is the only form of government that is for the people by the people because... theres only the people. Not some entity set above and beyond the reaches of 'The people', with authority over the people. Not that i believe in anarchy as the epitome of governance, but Bakunin has left me slightly jaded ever since i read him in hi…

Governments should have the right to scan human body and minds 24x7. Think of the massive number of lives saved! This will also mean more govt jobs and better employment!

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by wnoise »

kragen wrote: post #459
vel0city wrote: post #428

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> That's definitely an abridgment of your rights to free speech. As a student you have a far more limited right to free speech in school. See Morse v. Frederick, 551 U.S. 393 (2007), the famous BONG HITS 4 JESUS case. Those students weren't even technically on school grounds (across the street) but were a part of a school function. A school definitely has the right to suspend a student for distributing material deeme…

No, they do not. The Supreme Court ruled incorrectly in Morse v. Frederick. Oppressive governments and other institutions infringe on people's free speech rights frequently. The fact that their administrative organs reaffirm those infringements on appeal does not annul the infringements; it merely adds insult to injury.

You're forgetting the unwritten "but drugs" exception.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by anaganisk »

javajosh wrote: post #187

We have to give them something for CSAM, or they'll keep coming at free speech in general using CSAM as cover. I strongly recommend considering the invention of a sticky, client-side program that scans all images passing through your network interfaces. It is also allowed to send red flagged images to a jury that will be a first hurdle to doing anything: determining it's really a CSAM matter. I've proposed this befor…

Couldnt it be easily broken by masquerading a jpg as a txt file? Or actual people who pass such images use some kind of masking techniques. I will tell you what, any thing can be broken if it’s on software. DRM is broken by design because it failed to stop shit its only a hurdle to actual users.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by javajosh »

anaganisk wrote: post #494
javajosh wrote: post #187

We have to give them something for CSAM, or they'll keep coming at free speech in general using CSAM as cover. I strongly recommend considering the invention of a sticky, client-side program that scans all images passing through your network interfaces. It is also allowed to send red flagged images to a jury that will be a first hurdle to doing anything: determining it's really a CSAM matter. I've proposed this befor…

Couldnt it be easily broken by masquerading a jpg as a txt file? Or actual people who pass such images use some kind of masking techniques. I will tell you what, any thing can be broken if it’s on software. DRM is broken by design because it failed to stop shit its only a hurdle to actual users.

That doesn't sound like an argument against my proposal. Or, if it is, it's like arguing against using locks because any lock can be picked.

Any counter-measure, even the most invasive and draconian, can be foiled by simply doing your CSAM offline, using photocopiers and the postal service. That would be a big improvement, I'd argue.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by anaganisk »

javajosh wrote: post #495
anaganisk wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldnt it be easily broken by masquerading a jpg as a txt file? Or actual people who pass such images use some kind of masking techniques. I will tell you what, any thing can be broken if it’s on software. DRM is broken by design because it failed to stop shit its only a hurdle to actual users.

That doesn't sound like an argument against my proposal. Or, if it is, it's like arguing against using locks because any lock can be picked. Any counter-measure, even the most invasive and draconian, can be foiled by simply doing your CSAM offline, using photocopiers and the postal service. That would be a big improvement, I'd argue.

So whats your big improvement then? Locks are there to prevent random joes from entering your house, no one expects a lock to work against thieves that would be foolish because it never stopped em. Your argument is otherwise, you expect your “lock” to work on culprits. Also your offline scanning tech requires an update to hashes all the time, whats stopping any jury/govt from injecting hashes that aren’t CSAM, expecting governments and as an extension judiciary to operate in good faith is more foolish to assume. Im not even talking about breaking into the scanning software, defeating the scan is as easy as not sending them as image simple.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by heartbeats »

devwastaken wrote: post #479
heartbeats wrote: post #192

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Sites hosted behind Tor do not reveal your external IP address.

Not directly, you still have to contact nodes to get there. Through traffic analysis we can determine the path, or simply the feds can expand their number of nodes. Feds already own a good chunk of the network. Bandwidth and servers are expensive after all. Or even easier make phishing sites that grab your IP through any number of browser technologies. Torbrowser won't be around for long when Firefox becomes another…

This is not an accurate description of anything.

- Traffic analysis only works for a global adversary

- Feds would need to control a very sizeable chunk of the network to deanonymize your HS, and you can use your own nodes (also see Vanguard)

- "phishing attacks that grab your IP through any number of browser technologies" obviously do not apply to servers

- If Firefox would end, Tor would obviously have no choice but to re-write it all for Chromium.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by CRConrad »

roenxi wrote: post #344
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #337

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That was pretty bizarre. Raging coronavirus pandemic, more cases than we could count, and we can't let Djokovic in because ... well, he didn't have COVID so I suppose we were worried he'd catch it here (ignore natural immunity because that must be misinformation!). Maybe they were worried it would impact his tennis career. It was outrageously petty; my theory is someone in immigration had a bet riding on Nadal, becau…

> Bureaucratic. Pointless. Vindictive against scapegoats.

Oh, so the law shouldn't be the same for everyone. Not making exceptions for celebrities is "bureaucratic, pointless, vindictive".

That's one way of looking at it. Seems to be yours.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by CRConrad »

roenxi wrote: post #379
radicalbyte wrote: post #370

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The USA has 900k covid deaths from 74M cases. The real number of cases are likely to be double that, but it's still a very high rate - from the richest country in the world.

If the real number of cases is double that, then that would be a death rate of ... about 0.6%. And not everyone catches the disease in one pandemic wave, so the total population death rate in the US isn't going to reach that. And the idea that the US is going to roll over and shrug when their hospital system falls apart is nonsensical. It is one of those sounds-scary-not-likely scenarios that doesn't play out at scal…

> And the idea that the US is going to roll over and shrug when their hospital system falls apart is nonsensical.

No it isn't: the USA already rolled over and shrugged when their hospital system reached the state (mainly with regards to financing) it was in pre-pandemic.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by CRConrad »

RustyConsul wrote: post #420
Joeri wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free society means limited government, and the only way for the government to be in favor of that is for the government to vote against its own interests. I would argue that a free society protects people’s rights, and this is impossible without a strong government. As for voting against its own interests, the government in a true democracy is quite literally the will of the people. We get what we vote for. So if peo…

A democratic government is a government built and run for the 51%. Technically, pure anarchy is the only form of government that is for the people by the people because... theres only the people. Not some entity set above and beyond the reaches of 'The people', with authority over the people. Not that i believe in anarchy as the epitome of governance, but Bakunin has left me slightly jaded ever since i read him in hi…

> Case in point - Smoking cigs are bad for your health and 80% of the people agree... So lets ban cigarettes!

Yes, please.

> While we are on this topic, everyone agrees that endlessly scrolling instagram is also bad, so let's put a time limit on social media - Everyone gets an hour a day!

Wrong conclusion. (What, you wanna cut my HN procrastination by three quarters?!?) Correct conclusion: Just ban all that endlessly scrolling shit.

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