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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I'm concerned about 1st amendment and the soft power politicians have on freedom of speech (yes I know this is in Canada). When the head politician of a country essentially calls your group terrorist, wouldn't that put some pressure on social media or other organizations to restrict access, money or censor speech? Not all violations of free speech are literally police sending someone to jail for saying something. If…

Yeah, we do not have what you think of in terms of freedom of speech in Canada. A private corporation using their insured property to audibly harass a city and blockade streets is not considered freedom of speech in Canada. Take away their toys and let them hold a protest with their boots and parkas.

Freedom of expression features prominently in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is included in Section 2, which details fundamental freedoms, such as freedom of expression, freedom of association, and freedom of assembly. It strains credulity to argue that this protest somehow exceeds protest norms when bullhorns, drums, honking, and other noisemaking has been a key part of protests for decades.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I must be the only person here who doesn't already know about these trucking protests; I'm having trouble establishing the basic facts of what is in dispute. Who exactly is required to be vaccinated? It seems like the fraction of truckers who engaged in cross-border trucking with the US were subject to a Canadian federal vaccination mandate, which applied to some workers in the transportation sector as well as many f…

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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At least in the US lots of vaccines are mandated (of children) and it's not political.

I don't know what decade you were born in, but I have cousins aged 18 and 20 that have never been vaccinated because of their mom's political beliefs.

Likely because of a mistaken assumption of fears of autism. Politics only entered into this under Trump.

https://slate.com/technology/2021/02/smallpox-vaccine-bioatt...

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Seriously. Some people need to lay off the Fox and the right wing talk radio. They act like they’re being so oppressed because they have opinions people don’t agree with and they get called out for it. Like, how privileged has one’s life been and how much of a small bubble do they live in that they have never said something stupid and faced consequences for it. These are the same people that bitched about desegregati…

How about getting your head out of CNNs ass also?

Flamewar comments like this will get you banned here. You may not owe media networks better, but you owe this community much better if you're participating in it.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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> Yes, the powers that be chose to force an unnecessary vaccine on working class people No one was forced to get a vaccine. Period.

"Do X or you're fired" -- this is coercion by any reasonable definition. If you think it's easy to just "get another job", you are speaking from a position of immense economic privilege. It's tantamount to "let them eat cake". Urbanites will regret their fickle treatment of the key workers who provide them with food and Amazon deliveries.

> "Do X or you're fired" -- this is coercion by any reasonable definition.

Do X or you're fired is literally the basis for all employment.

> If you think it's easy to just "get another job", you are speaking from a position of immense economic privilege. It's tantamount to "let them eat cake".

Demand for labour is immense right now. I'm sure you've noticed. People are fired all the time for a number of reasons.

> Urbanites will regret their fickle treatment of the key workers who provide them with food and Amazon deliveries.

They won't, because the vast majority of truckers are vaccinated, working, and against this occupation.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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CRT and banning firearms... sounds like a really awful attempt at being right-wing.

Would you mind explaining what CRT is and how it’s being pushed?

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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CRT and banning firearms... sounds like a really awful attempt at being right-wing.

Please do not take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. That's exactly what we don't want here.

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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One thing most Americans don't understand about Canadian politics how much effort is put into limiting the influence of money. Corporations cannot make political donations in several provinces. Even unions can't contribute in some provinces. Individual donations to political parties are capped. On top of that, political parties have to adhere to campaign spending limits during election periods (although some do circumvent caps using third party PAC's).

In Alberta, where the organizer[1] of this GoFundMe is based, campaign spending limits for a provincial election are capped at $2,121,368 for a political party[2].

This GoFundMe just raised five times what an entire political party is allowed to spend during an election in Alberta.

Ostensibly, this cash was to be used to pay for gas and motel stays for those involved in the protest, but those truckers were never going to see a tenth of what Lich was given. Lich is a founding member of several Western separatist parties. Those parties, although they do have legitimate grievances that find some sympathy with moderates, take an approach that is wildly unpopular. Namely, separatism. They don't raise much money as a result. It's likely that Lich would have funnelled the remainder of this GoFundMe into support for one or more of the political parties she's affiliated with.

What could have happened is that, during the next few elections in Western provinces, we'd have seen a bevy of implausibly well funded PAC's shilling for Wildrose, Maverick, etc.. Their ads would have been similar in quality and quantity to those of the major parties. That could have significantly shifted the polls.

What about Lich's goals for the protest itself? As someone who wants to see Canada break up into several smaller nations, it's in her interest to demonstrate how weak and ineffectual the federal government is. What better way to do that than by blockading the capital and several key trade routes at the U.S. border while the federal government dithers and provincial governments do nothing?

Keeping money out of politics is a sisyphean task, but it's one most Canadians embrace. When GoFundMe's can raise this much cash in the blink of an eye, we have to recognize that the game has been fundamentally transformed yet again. In this instance, all that stopped a politically transformative amount of cash from flowing into a fringe party's hands was the hesitation of a foreign corporation. I fully expect regulations for political fund-raising through services like GoFundMe are going to be in the works shortly.

[1]https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/who-is-tamara-lich... [2]https://www.elections.ab.ca/finance/expense-limits/

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I neither believe it is truthful to call it "occupying the nations capitol" nor am I surprised that GFM won't fund it. Regardless, your response was a non-sequitur. You really need to deal with what I actually said. To help you along, I also wouldn't be surprised for a charity to redirect 100% of its income to its executives. But that wouldn't mean I would say it was fine for them to do that, even though the reason I…

> I neither believe it is truthful to call it "occupying the nations capito People who live in Ottawa disagree. > To help you along, I also wouldn't be surprised for a charity to redirect 100% of its income to its executives. But that wouldn't mean I would say it was fine for them to do that, even though the reason I gave the money was for clean wells in Africa. That's what you're defending. This is a textbook strawm…

Look, I've already explained that I'm not surprised. You are claiming I'm lying? Or what? Also my example is not a straw man. It's a simple analogy. This will be my last comment.

The thing I'm trying to address is your claim that it's just fine and dandy for them to redirect all the money to charities because that's equivalent to what the original organizers were going to do anyway. It's not. It's so obviously not appropriate that GFM immediately realized they could never get away with that and changed their minds and decided to refund all of the money instead. So I don't know why you're even bothering to defend their original plan. You're probably literally the only person in the world who thinks it's fine.

edit: removed potentially inflammatory analysis.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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In other words, it's nothing alike.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, and certainly not flamewar tangents into deeper circles of hell. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Yeah, that was a dumb comment. Sorry.
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