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Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Post by ghaff »

BitAstronaut wrote: post #234
vmception wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I skip getting a Starbuck's latte, and avoid adding extra guac at Chipotle. I'm kidding, that stuff has no affect on anything. Justifiable, as in "does this make practical sense", is not the word, because it doesn't. Justifiable, as in, "does it fit within my budget?" yes that's accurate. I don't have a short answer to why my personal budget is that flexible, but I do remember there was a point in my life where I wou…

Thank you for a very honest and thorough answer.

There's also future-proofing to some degree. I'll probably get a somewhat more loaded laptop than I "need" (though nowhere near $6K) because I'll end up kicking myself if 4 years from now I'm running up against some limit I underspeced.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Post by modulusshift »

xur17 wrote: post #269
ngngngng wrote: post #37

The benchmark to power consumption comparisons were very interesting. It seemed very un-Apple to be making such direct comparisons to competitors, especially when the Razer Blade Advanced had slightly better performance with far higher power consumption. I feel like typically Apple just says "Fastest we've ever made, it's so thin, so many nits, you'll love it" and leaves it at that. I'll be very curious to see those…

> I'll be very curious to see those comparisons picked apart when people get their hands on these, and I think it's time for me to give Macbooks another chance after switching exclusively to linux for the past couple years. I really enjoy linux as a development environment, but this is going to be VERY difficult to compete with..

Asahi Linux is making great strides in supporting M1 Macs, and they're upstreaming everything so your preferred distro could even support them.

https://asahilinux.org/

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Post by grvdrm »

threeseed wrote: post #451
lisper wrote: post #105

"Apple’s Commitment to the Environment" > Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral. But what they won't do is put the chip in an expan…

I just used Apple's trade-in service for my 2014 MacBook Pro and received $430. So there is another, quite lucrative, option besides discarding it.

Good to know and thanks! Looking forward to doing the same as I have a 2014 MBP that works and is in good condition.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Post by amelius »

jrockway wrote: post #338
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #243

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You're talking about selling working devices but parent was also talking about repairing them. Seems like a huge waste to throw away a $2000+ machine when it's out of warranty because some $5 part on it dies and Apple not only doesn't provide a spare but actively fights anyone trying to repare them, while the options they realistically will give you out of warranty being having your motherboard replaced for some insa…

> Or what if you're a klutz and spill your grape juice glass over your keyboard? Congrats, now you're -$2000 lighter since there's no way to take it apart and clean the sticky mess inside. Thanks to the Right To Repair, you can take the laptop to pretty much any repair shop and they can replace anything you damaged with OEM or third-party parts. They even have schematics, so they can just desolder and resolder failed…

> and don't drink liquids at work.

Which is ironic given that Apple laptops are often depicted next to freshly brewed cafe lattes.

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Post by jb1991 »

soheil wrote: post #482
yellowapple wrote: post #469

If Apple ever gets around to putting an M1 Max in a Mac Mini, that'd probably push me over the edge toward buying one.

Can't you buy a MBP 16" and connect it to whatever display you were going to connect your Mac Mini to?

But there’s a huge difference in the price if you don’t need all the other stuff that comes with the MacBook Pro.

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Post by up6w6 »

sharken wrote: post #262

So with 57B transistors for the M1 Max you can fit the AMD 5800H (10 B) and the RTX 3080 Ti (28 B) and have 19B transistors left. So the performance should be top notch but cooling and power requirements will be quite high. So battery life of 21 hours is quite the achievement. Still, i prefer the open architecture of the PC any day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count

It seems to be way beyond any CPU for end users and even some servers like AWS Graviton 2

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Post by ngngngng »

mdasen wrote: post #360
ngngngng wrote: post #37

The benchmark to power consumption comparisons were very interesting. It seemed very un-Apple to be making such direct comparisons to competitors, especially when the Razer Blade Advanced had slightly better performance with far higher power consumption. I feel like typically Apple just says "Fastest we've ever made, it's so thin, so many nits, you'll love it" and leaves it at that. I'll be very curious to see those…

I think that for the first time, Apple has a real performance differentiator in its laptops. They want to highlight that. If Apple is buying Intel CPUs, there's no reason making direct performance comparisons to competitors. They're all building out of the same parts bin. They would want to talk about the form factor and the display - areas where they could often out-do competitors. Now there's actually something to…

I was casually aware of Asahi before this announcement. Now I'm paying close attention to its development.

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Post by smoldesu »

modulusshift wrote: post #452
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #423

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It's not a function of capability. I spent $4,000 on a 2019 MBP, including $750 for a Vega 20. It plays Elder Scrolls Online WORSE than a friend's 2020 with INTEGRATED graphics. (I guess Bethesda gave some love to the integrated chipset, and didn't optimize for the Vega. It hitches badly every couple of seconds like it's texture thrashing.) Whatever AAA games that might have gotten some love on the Mac (and there are…

Well, Apple is selling M1 Macs like hotcakes, so it won't be too long until it'll be stupid not to support them. Also, texture thrashing isn't really an issue when you've got a shared CPU/GPU memory with 64 GB of space. Just cache like half the game in it lol

Apple had a shot at making Mac gaming a reality around 2019. They decided to axe 32-bit library support though, which instantly disqualifies the lion's share of PC games. You could still theoretically update these titles to run on MacOS, but I have little hope that any of these developers would care enough to completely rewrite their codebase to be compatible with 15% of the desktop market share.

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Post by gerardvivancos »

throwawaywindev wrote: post #429
haberman wrote: post #415

I always thought it was strange that "integrated graphics" was, for years, was synonymous with "cheap, underperforming" compared to the power of a discrete GPU. I never could see any fundamental reason why "integrated" should mean "underpowered." Apple is turning things around, and is touting the benefits of high-performance integrated graphics.

Video game consoles have been using integrated graphics for at least 15 years now, since Playstation 3 and Xbox 360.

If you mean including PS3 and X360, these two consoles had discrete GPUs. The move to AMD APUs was on the Xbox One and PS4 generation
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