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Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Those power comparisons aren't really fair IMO. They're testing power consumption... They're using a "msi prestige 14 evo (intel CPU)" vs an optimized laptop using an M1. Further, where's AMD? They have a better power vs performance ratio. I'm not sure it's as good or not, but that's a lot of cherry picking.

Can you be more specific in how the M1 is optimized while MSI's isn't? Also why was MSI a bad comparison?

It seems reasonable to me but I don't follow PC much these days.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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So with 57B transistors for the M1 Max you can fit the AMD 5800H (10 B) and the RTX 3080 Ti (28 B) and have 19B transistors left.

So the performance should be top notch but cooling and power requirements will be quite high.

So battery life of 21 hours is quite the achievement.

Still, i prefer the open architecture of the PC any day.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Why no one is talking about the base 14" 8-Core CPU and 14-Core GPU but not a single mention in the presentation ? How the new M1 Pro 8 core compared the the M1 8 core ?

The M1 has 4 small cores and 4 big while the Pro is 2/6. Didn’t really see if they claimed difference in the performances of the cores themselves.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Apple almost single-handedly made computing devices non-repairable or upgradable; across their own product line and the industry in general due to their outsized influence.

Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired(6s got the glass replaced, the 7 got full assembly replaced) and battery of the 6s replaced at a shop that is not authorized by Apple. It cost me 110$ in total. Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon. What’s that narrative that Apple devices are not upgradable or repairable? It simply not true. If a…

>Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired

Nice, except doing a screen replacement on a modern iPhone like the 13 series will disable your FaceID making your iPhone pretty much worthless.

>Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon

Nice, but on the modern Macbooks, the SSD is soldered and not replaceable. There is no way to upgrade them or replace them if they break, so you just have to throw away the whole laptop.

So yea, parent was right, Apple devices are the worst for reparability period since the ones you're talking about are not manufactured anymore therefore don't represent the current state of affairs and the ones that are manufactured today are built to not be repaired.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Maybe its a typo and they mean the Magsafe3 connector? I though the USB-C standard was limited to 100 watts.

They may have a usbC -> magsafe 3 connector. It lets you just replace the cable when it inevitably breaks instead of the whole brick.

Instead of having to replace the mag safe power brick for 85€ you can now just replace the cable for 55€.

However, it my personal experience, I've never had the cable fail, but I've had 2 mag safe power supplies fail (they started getting very hot while charging and at some point stopped working alltogether).

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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This is about the processors, not the laptops, so commenting on the chips instead. They look great, but they look like they're the M1 design, just more of it. Which is plenty for a laptop! But it'll be interesting to see what they'll do for their desktops. Most of the additional chip area went into more GPUs and special-purpose video codec hardware. It's "just" two more cores than the vanilla M1, and some of the effi…

I'm going to sound dumb for this, but how difficult do any of you think it would be to make a computer with 2 M1 chips? Or even 4?

You would have to implement single system image abstraction, if you wanted more than a networked cluster of M1s in a box, in the OS using just software plus virtual memory. You'd use the PCIe as the interconnect. Similar has been done by other vendors for server systems, but it has tradeoffs that would probably not make sense to Apple now.

A more realistic question would be what good hw multisocket SMP support would look like in M1 Max or later chips, as that would be a more logical thing to build if Apple wanted this.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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"Apple’s Commitment to the Environment" > Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral. But what they won't do is put the chip in an expan…

>This renders the carbon-neutrality of the chips meaningless.

You have a point but if they were actually truly neutral it wouldn't matter if you make 100,000 of them and throw them away.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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The benchmark to power consumption comparisons were very interesting. It seemed very un-Apple to be making such direct comparisons to competitors, especially when the Razer Blade Advanced had slightly better performance with far higher power consumption. I feel like typically Apple just says "Fastest we've ever made, it's so thin, so many nits, you'll love it" and leaves it at that. I'll be very curious to see those…

> I'll be very curious to see those comparisons picked apart when people get their hands on these, and I think it's time for me to give Macbooks another chance after switching exclusively to linux for the past couple years.

I really enjoy linux as a development environment, but this is going to be VERY difficult to compete with..

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Based on the numbers it looks like the M1 Max is in the RTX 3070-3080 performance territory. Sounds like mobile AAA gaming has potential to reach new heights :D

Mobile 3070-80 so around 1080 desktop for those that are interested. I'm curious what their benchmark criteria was though.
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