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Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

strogonoff wrote: post #460
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #242

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Any entity that can control an aspect of your life but doesn't give you the possibility to even talk to a human should not exist. I had to call the IRS today and with a little navigation cheat sheet, I found how to get ahold of someone with a 30 minute wait time. It sucked, but I spoke with a human that was very courteous. For a government agency, people dread it. But I at least have a ridiculous timeline to respond…

Agreed fully. Except I believe that there’s a deeper cause here, the misalignment between the interests of the actual users and the company to whom the users aren’t actually a source of revenue except by numbers that can be shown to advertisers and investors. (Further down this goes to our expectation of free service; it was all fun and beta at first but it turned out to be a trap.) Importantly, providing human servi…

Simply put, especially in a 2FA worlds, emails need to be a right. Let's say you have a government account tied to your gmail account. Gmail locks you out. The government then tied your ssn to that email account. How do you sign up for the government account now that google has effectively prevented you from interacting with the government?

That kind of stuff needs to end. Email's are required to conduct business and interact with the govenrment nowadays. A private company should not be allowed to just remove your ability to interface with businesses online. My bank can't effectively steal all my money and close my accounts just because I have a personal viewpoint or hell, even committed a felony! But for some reason (especially redditors) people think it's okay for a private company to shut someone down entirely just because of some form of speech or whatever reason simply because it's a private entity.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by filoleg »

perl4ever wrote: post #357
filoleg wrote: post #175

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>But it doesn't sit right Your argument makes sense, and I share your feelings on an emotional level, but at this point, the whole argument can be reduced to "sharing video files streamed from google drive is an equivalent of hosting a video on youtube, so the same rules apply", and that's hard to beat. If you want to store whatever material you want for personal consumption, you are welcome to. But if you enable sha…

>you are effectively turning it into a personal youtube that is still hosted by google Then logically, why should it be available ad free either?

Because you actually have to pay for google drive to host your videos on it, and the storage space is pretty limited. You don't need to pay anyone to store videos on youtube.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by simion314 »

quantumBerry wrote: post #490
simion314 wrote: post #459

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If Google thinks you do something illegal then they should call the police after a real human checked. If not they should not ruin your life, who knows tomorrow all your Google accounts get locked forever because an Artificial (Non)Intelligence found a word or a part of an image that looks like something "bad" but not illegal.

It's estimated 2 billion people use google. And in the US for instance, one third of the people here have records for criminal activity. Google doesn't have the manpower to call the police on millions of criminals actively using their services.

So what is the solution? Google (and others) are clearly not competent to implement a good algorithm, so why the hell not give the unfortunate users a simple way to demand a human to check that your image or words are not criminal?

Sony did this to me, they blocked my son account for 2 months,no reason why or a way to appeal. The good part is that I now have a reason to not buy Sony products again, the bad part is that until it happens to you , you will think that there are millions of users and only few are affected by this so for sure it will not happen to you.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by quantumBerry »

simion314 wrote: post #493
quantumBerry wrote: post #490

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It's estimated 2 billion people use google. And in the US for instance, one third of the people here have records for criminal activity. Google doesn't have the manpower to call the police on millions of criminals actively using their services.

So what is the solution? Google (and others) are clearly not competent to implement a good algorithm, so why the hell not give the unfortunate users a simple way to demand a human to check that your image or words are not criminal? Sony did this to me, they blocked my son account for 2 months,no reason why or a way to appeal. The good part is that I now have a reason to not buy Sony products again, the bad part is th…

I've already stated the solution, it is the parent to which we are all responding:

>What we really should be asking is why is google examining user data at all. They should not be in the position where they can even find out who is a terrorist.

The solution I advocate for is they shouldn't be looking at our data. I don't want them evaluating who is a terrorist or who isn't, because as soon as they do that they need to take action on that information or be liable for failing to do so.

But I think you have found a very good solution with Sony, and maybe we should apply this to google and simply not use their service rather than get upset because they've chosen not to support those they think are terrorists. Again google is not your slave that must perform a service for you.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by gumby »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #247
gumby wrote: post #221

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Oh they love their customers and are quite solicitous as to their needs. People using search, gmail, drive etc aren’t the customers.

It's a pain in the arse to get AdSense support too!

Hey fellow Aussie wog, it’s different if you are Target or Amazon or Buzzfeed. The Internet battler..will ever struggle on.

(Fortunately I haven’t been called a wog to my face in decades)

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by xyzzy21 »

KorematsuFredt wrote: post #434
numpad0 wrote: post #405

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Do people lose data or lose proof of identity when they have had account(s) banned?

The biggest hurdle would be actually finding someone to talk to if the account gets banned.

The only truly effective way: serve corporate with a lawsuit!

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Post by xyzzy21 »

znpy wrote: post #450
KorematsuFredt wrote: post #403

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G employee. If you are using G to store anything important and if you do not have an offline backup or some other redundancy please reconsider.

Isn't the idea behind cloud storage to be able no to buy the actual physical storage?

That's a dangerous and naive plan/intent.

Trusting ANYONE ELSE to manage your property is always a bad idea!

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Post by peakaboo »

tyingq wrote: post #43

I'm curious if "has locked my account" means just Google Drive, or if he also lost Gmail, Android functionality, Chrome profiles, Adwords, YouTube, YouTubeTV, purchased movies and tv shows, Fitbit, Nest, sites where he used federated login (DoorDash, Uber, etc). I see, for example, his YouTube channel is up, but it's associated with 'team@armouredarchives.com', and not the personal gmail account he posted in the link…

Google could disappear tomorrow and it wouldnt affect my life whatsoever. Its beautiful.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by jschwartzi »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #435
hansel_der wrote: post #420

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to continue the analogy; idk if dying from starvation is worse than dying from food-poisoning (quantitative and qualitative). moot point anyways, as google is not (yet) in the business of essential services. they can hand out literal shit and it's totally fine.

> idk if dying from starvation is worse than dying from food-poisoning It would have to be a major emergency to warrant that, food-wise. Under normal circumstances, no danger food. > moot point anyways, as google is not (yet) in the business of essential services. they can hand out literal shit and it's totally fine. Google is more like the store giving out free samples. It's not essential at all but it definitely ha…

Google is giving out free samples that it’s representing as full service.
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