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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by lern_too_spel »

valenterry wrote: post #331
lern_too_spel wrote: post #302

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No vaccine has ever had a long term effect that isn't visible soon after it is administered. Vaccines are one and done and eliminate quickly from the body, unlike other medications, which can be administered daily or weekly for years and can accumulate in organs. https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-... "This is particularly true of the mRNA vaccines. mRNA degrades incredibly rapidly. You would…

How about the cases of narcolepsy that were caused by the swine-flu vaccine Pandremix? As far as I understand it took around 2 years before it was officially stated that the vaccine was/is the cause for these cases. Until 2015 the numbers grew even higher because of the delay between vaccination and the first symptoms. I wouldn't really call that "soon after it is administered". And the same is also true for covid's…

> I wouldn't really call that "soon after it is administered".

The median delay between vaccination and the onset of narcolepsy in that case was 42 days. Not nearly the four years magic number that sharken was waiting for. I would call that soon after it is administered. Far more people are well beyond that period after the Pfizer-Biontech vaccination than were ever administered Pandemrix.

> And the same is also true for covid's long term effects

Those long term effects are visible soon after infection. Both of your examples seem to be in support of my point.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by jackson1442 »

yupper32 wrote: post #387
thepasswordis wrote: post #200

People don’t want to take the vaccine because others are trying to force them to. They would say “it’s not FDA approved!” not as the core of their hesitancy, but because they were trying to be appeal to pro-vax peoples decision making framework. I don’t think we should be able to require them to. To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities wo…

> the weird, Orwellian ways that the government talks about it, has turned me against the booster. You desperately need to take a step back and look at yourself and how you evaluate things. You decided to go against the booster because of your feelings, not because of science. You want government decisions to be guided by science, and yet you are very clearly anti-science with your decision making. > To many of you h…

Agreed. Didn't feel orwellian or coerced at all to go to the doctor and get a meningitis shot before heading off to university. Nor did it feel orwellian to get a covid shot to protect my community.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by hall0ween »

learc83 wrote: post #408
cies wrote: post #318

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Side-effects may develop only after a while: a good reason for longer trials.

There has never been a vaccine that was recalled because of side effects that didn't show up until over a year later.

Citation? It's a bold claim, without any evidence to back it up. HN is different than the comments section of a news site.

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Post by cglace »

peakaboo wrote: post #205
nojito wrote: post #178

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>By that i mean that we need more time to assess the long-term effects, something that many pro-vaccine people seem unwilling to accept. That is unfortunate. We are way past the time frame for long-term effects to manifest themselves for a corona-like vaccine.

This is not true. There could be birth defects or lower iq in babies born from vaccinated mothers.

I personally know 2 women who had covid, were hospitalized, had emergency c sections and then died. That is a known risk. Your risk is hypothetical.

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Post by saalweachter »

nextaccountic wrote: post #393
cies wrote: post #260

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FDA approved or not, they cannot be sued for vaccine drama. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-c... Claims can only go by "vaccine court" (yes that's a thing according to Wikipedia)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compen...

From that Wikipedia article, pharma companies paid a total of 2.5 billions in damages from 2006 to 2020. Seems hard to say that they can't be sued, it's just a different court system.

The critical difference is that there's no culpability or consequences or Erin Brockavich-style showdown with the Big Lawyers from Big Pharma.

For the "vaccine court" you're just presenting a claim that vaccine X could cause condition Y, that you developed condition Y after taking vaccine X, and that there's no other reason you'd suffer from condition Y. If the court finds it plausible, you (and your lawyers) get paid, and everyone goes about their business the same as before.

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Post by [deleted] »

learc83 wrote: post #352
cies wrote: post #315

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It's stories like this --gov't makes out of court settlements and vaccine retracted-- that give a lot of credibility to those against/ hesitant towards vaccination. I'm in a low-risk group and see no use in getting vaccinated, especially since herd immunity is off the table and nearby ICUs are not overflowing. The media/pharma/politicians/bigtech are all passing out the same message: get the vaccine. Non of them high…

You might want to reevaluate your definition of low risk thanks to the delta variant. My wife is a pediatric ER doctor (but because the adult ER is so swamped with COVID patients they're now seeing all patients up to 25), during the first few waves of COVID, she saw almost no severe cases in children and young adults. There were plenty of kids who came in with COVID, but she didn't admit a single otherwise healthy ki…

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by jquaint »

thepasswordis wrote: post #316
orangegreen wrote: post #308

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It's not really about you. It's about preventing other, more vulnerable people from getting sick. Living in a society means giving up some of your freedoms in exchange for security, and getting vaccinated as a way to help other people should be part of that exchange.

Why don't those people go get the vaccine like I did?

Some people are unable to be vaccinated (due to legitimate medical reasons) and need to rely on others.

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Post by ufmace »

thepasswordis wrote: post #200

People don’t want to take the vaccine because others are trying to force them to. They would say “it’s not FDA approved!” not as the core of their hesitancy, but because they were trying to be appeal to pro-vax peoples decision making framework. I don’t think we should be able to require them to. To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities wo…

> To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities would have burned over it.

It's very political. There's a bunch of screenshots and videos floating around of left-wing people who didn't trust the vaccine because they perceived it as coming from the Trump administration when it was in place. Now that we've swapped presidents, the side of that have flipped - now a bunch of right-wing people don't trust it because they don't trust the Biden administration.

Oddly, it doesn't seem to bother anyone in either of these camps that it was both developed and pushed through initial testing under the Trump administration, and ramped up to full production and usage and edging towards mandates under the Biden administration.

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Post by mlang23 »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #434
mlang23 wrote: post #382

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I experience similar things. Frankly, I think the media has put so many weird labels on people who choose not to vaccinate that after the lockdowns, the vaxed people found a sort of sensation in talking to non-vaxed people. It felt like in a zoo. "So, you are not vaxed because you are afraid of the pain?" The actual reason for most, which is "I have decided to risk an infection to let my immune system do its job" is…

> The actual reason for most, which is "I have decided to risk an infection to let my immune system do its job" To be fair, this is what the vaccines do.

Come on. If humanity were unable to survive without the help of artificial vaccines, we would never be here.

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Post by jdavis703 »

albatross13 wrote: post #430
acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

I'm already triple vaxxed (booster), but there are plenty of aspects to this that help drive people's fear: - Phase 3 trials for Pfizer not complete until May 2023: ( https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 ) - Control group(s) were given vaccines after 14 days: ( https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... ) - Pfizer generates 1.9bn in revenue off of 100m doses, just in the USA alone, cre…

I don’t see anything in the article that says control groups received the experimental vaccine after 14 days. They don’t even unblind the results until they’ve gotten enough confirmed cases to determine efficacy. Perhaps some people had enrolled just before they received enough data to unblind?
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