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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by crististm »

uniqueid wrote: post #464
narrator wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Soviets put their dissidents into mental hospitals, because obviously they were crazy and dangerous to oppose socialism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_...

A more accurate analogy would be 'the Soviets didn't give them airtime on All Union Radio'

How is that accurate? More, like, exaggerated to make a point but missing it by a mile.

Soviets did not give airtime to pro-party ideologues to validate their position. There was no competition between ideologues to get more airtime. The program was _dictated_ by the powers that be.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Minor49er »

umvi wrote: post #125
zelphirkalt wrote: post #95

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That's my favorite example of how silly it is! Lets give all the people with a master degree a change to "main degree". "main of arts", "main of engineering", "main of science" lol

I suppose you could replace "master" with "graduate"

What if you graduate with an associate or bachelor's degree instead?

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by fortran77 »

doublekill wrote: post #474
drak0n1c wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advertisers, youtubers, users, brands - everyone was happy prior to the era of demonetization. What killed the golden goose was an extremely small set of activists and journalists (specifically Media Matters and Vox) methodically threatening brands with publication of screenshots of their "support" for controversial niche videos. And just enough brand marketing and YouTube employees were cowed, or at least ideologica…

An Israeli had build a tool to detect anti-semitism in videos and comments. Not being able to sell to YouTube, they pivoted to targeting advertisers ("make sure your advertisements do not appear next to racist content"). Part of this was a PR campaign, where they would mail journalists "scoops" with videos with lots of views, anti-semetic content, and no moderation of YouTube. With every such news article, YouTube st…

What a bizarre made-up story you presented here! Of course, one always finds conspiracy theories blaming the Jews. (And it's seeming OK with the management, even though they've professed to the New Yorker that they take an active role keeping the community in-line.)

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Post by goatinaboat »

bsder wrote: post #353
thaumasiotes wrote: post #304

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> I firmly believe that smoking bans have killed live music What's the connection?

Intermediate size venues got wiped out because smokers are extremely profitable--smoking and drinking go together. You can have a small venue ( 1000) because it probably reached self-supporting. However, we lost a LOT of 100-1000 size venues from about 1990 to about 2005. And those are the ones that working musicians can make a living off of. But those need the stupidly profitable contingent that goes along with smok…

Intermediate size venues got wiped out because smokers are extremely profitable--smoking and drinking go together.

Same in pubs. The smoking-and-drinking crowd got edged out by parents who for some reason want to bring their kids to the pub. They will have brought their own drinks and snacks for the kids too. The mother will have a small glass of wine and the father will drink half a pint of "craft beer", stretched out over a couple of hours while their kids run around screaming and annoying the few remaining paying drinkers.

I loved pubs in the old days but even before COVID they were dying out because they just don't want their loyal paying customers any more.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #420

I'm not sure how to word this... I'm confused that we are still calling people "black" and "white", when their actual color is nowhere near those two. It's no longer cool to call people "yellow" or "redskin", so why are those still accepted? People I know actually use "dark-brown", "light-brown", and "light-skinned" and other such more accurately descriptive terms when actually describing someone's appearance, and I…

That sort of nuance is diametrically opposed to the tribalism pushed by race essentialists currently en vogue in the United States.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

jojobas wrote: post #17

Delegating prosecution of possible hate speech to commercial entities was always going to be bad. Youtube is essentially a public forum with audience of entire countries, where the people who run it choose what gets amplified, what gets shunned and what get outright blocked. Who would be happy with a private entity deciding the future mindsets at this scale?

>Who would be happy with a private entity deciding the future mindsets at this scale?

The people who own the private entities (and those with close connections to them).

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by status_quo69 »

slg wrote: post #374
chii wrote: post #331

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It's stupid, because in the era of television, people understood that the advertising commercial breaks in programmes were distinct from the actual content of the programme, and that the advertisers are _not_ endorsing the contents of the programme at all! How this somehow translated, in the era of online youtube videos, to the exact opposite is still a mystery to me. So what if your ad appeared next to something rad…

>It's stupid, because in the era of television, people understood that the advertising commercial breaks in programmes were distinct from the actual content of the programme, and that the advertisers are _not_ endorsing the contents of the programme at all! This is simply not true. If you go back long enough shows were often sponsored by specific advertisers making the link even stronger than traditional preroll YouT…

Another example of this is Transformers, which is/was beloved by kids and was easy advertising for Hasbro.

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Post by inopinatus »

drak0n1c wrote: post #225
andrewzah wrote: post #5

“ The researchers now suggest that social-media platforms should incorporate chess language in their algorithms to avoid future incidents like this.” Or maybe don’t automate banning YouTube channels via nebulous black boxes? Or can advertisers stop being afraid of anything and everything?

Advertisers, youtubers, users, brands - everyone was happy prior to the era of demonetization. What killed the golden goose was an extremely small set of activists and journalists (specifically Media Matters and Vox) methodically threatening brands with publication of screenshots of their "support" for controversial niche videos. And just enough brand marketing and YouTube employees were cowed, or at least ideologica…

Our monkey brains are not evolved to deal with the satisfaction barrage, the microdosed dopamine of incremental reputation tallies and continually met expectations. Social media platforms weaponise the limbic system in support of commerce, and once habituated, regrettably few people display a reflexive defiance when the same mechanisms are hijacked by hostile actors & propagandists.

As any student of history knows, this is hardly a new phenomenon, but it was never before so globally industrialised or automated.

> everyone was happy

"Everyone" ... except for all the people whose lives are made materially worse by the subsequent ease of disseminating hate material & misinformation. Also unhappy: anyone possessing the humanity to feel for others in distress.

> cowed or [...] ideologically sympathetic

Intentional or not, this came across dripping with derision, but it falls flat: the only "ideological sympathy" here is that of being a decent human being.

> an extremely small set of activists and journalists

This ratifies the well-known aphorism that a small group of dedicated individuals can change the world. It does not undermine the necessity for showing assholes the door.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by dspillett »

status_quo69 wrote: post #497
slg wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's stupid, because in the era of television, people understood that the advertising commercial breaks in programmes were distinct from the actual content of the programme, and that the advertisers are _not_ endorsing the contents of the programme at all! This is simply not true. If you go back long enough shows were often sponsored by specific advertisers making the link even stronger than traditional preroll YouT…

Another example of this is Transformers, which is/was beloved by kids and was easy advertising for Hasbro.

> was easy advertising for Hasbro

Transformers was only advertising for Hasbro. They licensed the toys then made a show around them to sell them.

And as a big Transformers fan as a kid I along with many others fell right for it!

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