I know someone who worked for McKinsey for a few years, and some of the projects he described were straight up slimy. The one I recall right now was helping a big payday lender (read: large scale loan shark) figure out how to get their money back from people who were behind on their payments. The problem was that they can only attempt to withdraw so many times from someone's bank before they're banned, so the agreed…
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The reality is that this is a very difficult situation all around. 1) Lenders probably shouldn't be lending money to people they know cannot repay the debts. This is also why APRs are so high - most people simply don't. 2) People who know they can't repay the debts shouldn't be borrowing in the first place. This is also why lenders have to go to such extremes to collect their debts. This is a function of being poor i…
A big part of the reason that nothing ever changes is because it isn't profitable for things to change, at least not when some moneyed interests can make a profit doing things like predatory lending and others get to have cheap employees. In other words, the lack of a social safety net isn't just some accident that citizens blundered into. It was engineered and continues to be advanced by the people who make money fr…
Canada has a very cushy social safety net and still has payday lending with interest rates of 49%.
And the alternative of having payday lending is no lending - that is, these folks would have no way of getting a short term loan. Is that better?
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There are enough large companies who have committed misdeeds worthy of major consequences that if we actually punished all of them in a meaningful way, the economy would fall apart, because there would not be many companies left.
on the contrary, it would create opportunity for actually well-run businesses that benefits the customer to take their place
This assumes that you have a functional society after say...Chase or Nestle or Pfizer or Boeing or Disney, etc becomes insolvent. You will lose more than a decade in churn as the monopolies (enough that they can dictate legislative agendas) leave huge gaps that are inevitably filled with instability. The "good actors" that would backfill is a utopian fantasy. Different names, different brands, but the same kinds of people would end up in the same positions of influence. That's how the (mostly) capitalistic system operates.
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I'm a 20 something McK consultant with a $10 haircut. Maybe $20 with tip. Or $0 now, because it's done at home. I post this fairly frequently, but here we go again. Business is hard. Change is hard. Consultants get a lot of shit for saying things that someone lower in the org could have told them. That's not evidence of abuse, that's evidence that your org isn't working well. A lot of the time substantial portions of…
I’ve worked with McKinsey on 3 different projects at two companies. One project was honestly helpful in trying to get SAP up and running. The other two were worthless, including a strategy deck about CPG food strategy in China. They basically just took our data and the results we had already provided and had a charismatic speaker (Partner?) who worked in China come in and tell the same story. The few original slides…
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As a very early P2P lending participant in the early days of Prosper Lending, I've seen the other side of this. Many borrowers adopt a mindset that they have earned the money they borrowed and don't feel that they need to pay it back. I came in to Prosper with a distaste for the apparent predatory lender tactics and came out with an appreciation that not everything that seems predatory really is. While there are plen…
Asserting your debt as more important than someone's housing does seem like a pretty shitbag thing to me.
Not everyone who borrows money is a "victim" and not everyone who asks for their money back is a "predator". It's not so black and white. I've lost money to worthless people who lied while borrowing only to find out they blew it all on prostitutes instead of that family emergency they claimed they had.
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#497This is far too low. A fine large enough to destroy the company (as was effectively done to Purdue) would have been the only palatable outcome. And even more importantly, legal repercussions for all their employees who were personally responsible for this. All this settlement achieves is 'a cost of doing business', as they say. It's not punishment or deterrence. McKinsey and other companies like them will do similar…
From the New York Times article, "The amount McKinsey is paying is substantially more than it earned from opioid-related work with Purdue or Johnson & Johnson, Endo International and Mallinckrodt Pharmaceuticals, its other opioid-maker clients, a person involved in the settlement negotiations said" To me, "a cost of doing business" implies that they're making more money than it costs them. Here at least, that doesn't…
It's wayyyy more than the cost of doing business. This project represents less than 0.001% of a year's revenue. Company is losing 5-6%.
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#498I share the anger and I would probably point it at the firm too it if I didn't work there and know things from the inside. There is real anger (and a sense of betrayal) inside the firm against the partners responsible for this, as there was over the collaboration with ICE or the South African corruption scandal. Not anger because they put the firm in jeopardy but because what they did was wrong and went against the firm's values. Thankfully they have been terminated.
Some will say I am a mouthpiece for the firm on a PR rampage and I have no way to prove them wrong but I still feel I have to try and provide a bit of perspective from the inside. More of that can be found in my fellow firm member klmadfejno's comments to which I subscribe 100%.
It doesn't help that very little of what happens in the inside is visible publicly. It does not stem from a conspiracy to do evil things secretly but is considered necessary mainly because:
1. the firm serves competing companies and handles sensitive information (think strategic commercial and financial information, not conspiracy to feed on innocent newborns. Even internally we are not allowed to discuss a lot of what other teams do or only a very sanitized version)
2. the firm advises and clients must decide whether they follow that advice or not (they often don't) and not be able to shield themselves behind someone else (particularly when the client is a government) for the decisions they eventually take.
McKinsey is an archipelago where anyone who can convince a team to work with them and a client to pay for it can start an engagement (and I mean anyone).This means that a lot of shitty things can happen (think advising ICE, the South Africa corruption scandal, Enron or the current Purdue situation).
The leadership has nothing to do with initiating or managing engagements and doesn't have the kind of executive power that you find in a traditional company. However they do have a role in setting the rules regulating how this takes place.
To avoid shit happening engagements must be approved by several committees and it's part of the responsibilities of the leadership to ensure that the policies that these committees enforce are in agreement with the firm's values.
The current leadership has recognized in the last couple of years that these policies were not strict enough and has worked hard to strengthen them (that's my opinion, not fact). It now is not possible to start an engagement that would derive into harm against society, the environment, human rights etc...
An engagement as the Purdue one (dating back to 2017) would not be possible now, nor can we serve tobacco companies, arms manufacturers or start an engagement that would help create new fossile fuel extraction capacity.
To quote the firm's Managing Partner:
"As you know, we have made fundamental changes to our professional standards, policies, risk management and culture over the past two years. These changes include:
▪ Adopting a new Client Service Policy in 2019 that would have stopped us from doing this work on multiple grounds as the epidemic unfolded. It is also what led us to cease all opioid-specific work anywhere in the world.
▪ Introducing a new code of conduct that leaves no room for doubt as to the conduct that is expected of every colleague. We said we would have no tolerance for those who violate our professional standards. In this case, after a thorough investigation, two partners have been terminated for violating our Firm’s professional standards.
▪ Adopting a purpose statement after a year of debate and dialogue and using this to inform the decisions that we make.
But we need to go further. And we will. We must use this moment to bring further energy to the discussions we have around our values and, critically, to the actions we all take to ensure they are delivered without fail every day, everywhere "
(https://www.mckinseyopioidfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/...)
This means that a hard-left guy like me can work at McKinsey and be very proud of what he does and look at his children in the eye. While policies I am dead against are promoted somewhere else at the firm, as a firm member I can (and do) choose to work on projects that promote policies that I agree with.
The important part is that the control mechanisms that were too weak keep being strengthened as I think the current leadership is doing, but I am looking hard and will keep doing so and hold them accountable, as a lot of my colleagues are. I'd say most but that would be anecdata.
Regarding consultancy value, I can only provide more anecdata. There is a strong culture to overdeliver and bring more to the table than what the client paid for. The young consultant I have seen discussed across the comments is never left alone and is part of a team with experienced subject-matter experts. McKinsey recruits lots of seasoned experts and brilliant minds with amazing skills and working with them is the main part of what makes working at the firm so amazing (along with the challenging problems we are allowed to take a stab at solving).
I have definitely come across buzzword-wielding, smooth-talking McKinsey consultants bullshitting their way through an engagement and delivering little value but in my experience it is not the rule. I cannot discuss what I do but I can say we are very much encouraged to go above and beyond, to share all the knowledge we have and have often seen wizened, experienced, no-bullshit-taking and distrustful engineers ending up genuinely amazed with the new insight and actionable knowledge we have shared with them (and of course we learn a lot in the bargain too)
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What do you think an appropriate penalty is? When I first read this headline I was worried the fine would be just a slap on the wrist. I was glad to see it was more substantial. Personally, I think a fine like this is just if it causes consulting firms to think about the consequences of their actions and do the right thing in the future. Making firms responsible for damages they cause would be best. Making it it clea…
For basic fraud/bad behavior, off the top of my head, at least 5-6x what they made from it might be good. Anything involving direct, long term physical harm (such as death) needs a secondary penalty on top of this unrelated to profits made. You have to account for not all of these schemes being uncovered. Then you have to add an actual penalty on top of it.
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#500This is far too low. A fine large enough to destroy the company (as was effectively done to Purdue) would have been the only palatable outcome. And even more importantly, legal repercussions for all their employees who were personally responsible for this. All this settlement achieves is 'a cost of doing business', as they say. It's not punishment or deterrence. McKinsey and other companies like them will do similar…
Wait. You want to destroy a $10B+ annual revenue business that does consulting across almost every industry because of this one project? Edit: to the reply comparing this to murder, not it's not. And even if you do compare it, the court look at an individuals standing and contribution to the community all the time in sentencing.