Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by Rebelgecko » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:35 AM UTC

srtjstjsj wrote: post #483

Rebelgecko wrote: post #302

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IMO it's relevant that twitter is blocking the story due to their rules about releasing hacked material, not misinformation. If the hard drive is a hoax, I think it's important to have an open discussion to shine a light on it. Banning the article in a way that appears to validate its claims will only embolden claims of a conspiracy. I think it's also interesting that the "hacking" ban doesn't have an exemption for t…

How could it possibly make sense to say that "it makes sense to ban publishing of hacked materials, except if the hacked materials are published"?

I think it would make sense to distinguish between some random jerk posting a photo hacked from his ex-girlfriend's iCloud account vs a news article containing a hacked photo of a slide detailing NSA's PRISM program. Twitter already makes "public interest exemptions" for their other rules

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by syndacks » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:36 AM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #475

One might even argue that Facebook/Twitter are doing this explicitly to ensure a party is put in power that won't try to reform them in any way. Their actions show it, and their political donations show it. That's my putting on the tin foil, but I think you could make such an argument. We always talk about Big Oil, etc being friends to Republicans, but often ignore Big Tech's close ties to Democrats.

Yep, def using the Heavy Duty kind tonight.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by radley » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:36 AM UTC

ignoramous wrote: post #448

kube-system wrote: post #69

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I really hope AT&T starts censoring these damn spam calls. I've had 5 today.

Truecaller works even though the app is hard to stomach privacy-wise. Google recently unveiled plans for its "verified calls" feature, so that might help if you're on an Android 11 device. I personally do not answer any calls from numbers not on my contact list. If a call was urgent, I'd normally recieve a text message (if informal) or an email (if formal, like the bank, for example) from the caller eventually.

Truecaller sucks hard. I'd get a call and they'd place a promotion in the way so I couldn't answer until I clicked it. Not good when driving.

That was 5 years ago. Maybe they've changed?

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by mellosouls » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:36 AM UTC

nemothekid wrote: post #419

mellosouls wrote: post #388

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A strange thing to say in a thread commenting on a news item where the left are censoring the right. Again.

Today, I flipped a coin and it landed heads, the same as yesterday. Very strange of you to say it would ever land tails.

I'm sure that sounds clever to you, but I've no idea what it means or what relevance it has.

You said something is "demonstrably false" that is actually happening and is documented in the subject of this whole thread.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by srtjstjsj » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:38 AM UTC

kthxbye123 wrote: post #244

drcongo wrote: post #55

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Is the NY Post considered a serious newspaper over there?

No, it's universally considered a far-right tabloid, similar to the Daily Mail or the Sun in the UK.

To clarify further, NY Post is owned by the same person as The Sun, Rupert Murdoch.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by reilly3000 » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:38 AM UTC

reilly3000 wrote: post #279

patrickaljord wrote: post #269

Here's the article for those wondering https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden...

This is a colossal failure of a scam to discredit Biden. There was no chain of custody, the proported email had tons of tell tale signs of being faked, and NYPost posted exif data that undermined their whole claim. They even used ints for ids allowing a lot of unpublished docs out. https://twitter.com/russelneiss/status/1316398928850452481 https://twitter.com/russelneiss/status/1316402052885606400 https://twitter.com…

TechCrunch seems to agree w/ me on most of these points.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/14/suspect-provenance-of-hunt...

If I were to see a dump of the raw email headers from a trusted chain of custody, I would feel entirely different about the matter.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by rectang » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:39 AM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #467

rectang wrote: post #211

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> Even some of the points in the TPM article aren't very strong The people who wrote the NY Post piece had plenty of time to prepare. Now the story is rocketing around at the speed of the internet; but it takes time to refute authoritatively. Twitter, Facebook, HN, and similar channels will have spread the story regardless of its truth or untruth. They are vulnerable to propaganda, similar to how open relays are to s…

So by your logic we should just delay any posting of news so that it can be vetted by other outlets, which defeats the entire purpose of getting scoops. Plenty of false stories have been spread by big outlets, including CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News, etc...no one has said we should censor those stories. Who gets to draw the line and when? So far -every- proposal I've seen targets one group and isn't broadly applied.

> So by your logic

Wrong. I pointed out a problem, but I did not suggest a remedy.

It's a hard problem. There's a saying, "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." It goes back centuries: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/07/13/truth/

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by Balgair » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:40 AM UTC

bufferoverflow wrote: post #425

Tycho wrote: post #361

Crux of the issue is that everyone knows there’s a double standard. Why do they co-ordinate to block this story and not the countless other “unverified” scoops? Because it threatens a protected politician.

Spot-on. When NPR got caught posting fake news recently, absolutely nothing happened to them. When CNN does it, nothing happens to them. The game is rigged.

NPR was posting fake news?

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by mensetmanusman » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:40 AM UTC

This is huge.

I wonder what the fallout will be.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by iaw » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:41 AM UTC

0xy wrote: post #479

bosswipe wrote: post #476

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What happens if the party that is attacking our democracy by spreading disinformation in the last few weeks of the election gets into power?

Just curious why you say this is disinformation given the lack of proof. Is this your opinion or are you attacking the article based on the source?

There is one source of information, Rudy Giuliani. Someone with known ties to Russian intelligence claiming that his lawyer received a surprise hard drive from a computer repairman who has an utterly implausible explanation for his acquisition of said drive. Someone who has been known to spread false allegations and conspiracy theories including the claim that Joe Biden is suffering from dementia.

The Biden campaign has records to that time indicating no such meeting took place.

So far, without further corroboration, it's an allegation with no basis. Especially given justice department investigations into the purported impropriety that the supposed emails revolve around did not reveal any evidence of involvement of Joe Biden in his son's dealings.