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Re: Amazon Isn’t the Only Shop Online

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Post by yibg » Thu, Apr 09, 2020, 12:59 AM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #488

yibg wrote: post #487

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There are common definitions of what words mean. If the meaning of words become arbitrary then we lose the ability to communicate effectively. An action was taken, e.g. picking up a quarter off the side walk. There is no need to put another label on it randomly, just call it what it is, picking up a quarter. By using a word that already has a commonly accepted meaning, and a negative one at that, and associate it wit…

>There are common definitions of what words mean. What are they? People assume their definition is common, but everything is much less clear than that. This causes frequent disagreements, and it's best to get more information. >There is no need to put another label on it randomly, just call it what it is, picking up a quarter. There is no need for me to label the action at all unless I'm in a position to explain what…

> This started as me labeling an action as theft.

That's what I mean with the rapist example too. If you have sex with someone, do I have the right to call you a rapist first and withhold judgement until I have more information? If for me a rapist isn't necessarily a bad act.

Re: Amazon Isn’t the Only Shop Online

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Post by t-writescode » Thu, Apr 09, 2020, 6:19 AM UTC

plorkyeran wrote: post #421

t-writescode wrote: post #386

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Also, there’s probably A/B testing that shows orders of magnitude less engagement if you put any blockers in the way of seeing the product.

It doesn't have to block you from seeing the product. Some e-commerce sites let you enter a zip code on any page to get estimated shipping prices, but don't require you to. Some let you enter a zip code as soon as you've added something to your cart. Some don't do estimated shipping prices at all and don't give you any idea how much shipping will be until you're at that step of the checkout flow.

Fair enough. I suppose I'm just used to what I'm used to. Shipping prices only seem to be something surprising nowadays with Amazon. Before that, it was accepted and commonplace. I wonder if that makes it a dark pattern now.

Re: Amazon Isn’t the Only Shop Online

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Post by boomboomsubban » Thu, Apr 09, 2020, 8:42 AM UTC

yibg wrote: post #491

boomboomsubban wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There are common definitions of what words mean. What are they? People assume their definition is common, but everything is much less clear than that. This causes frequent disagreements, and it's best to get more information. >There is no need to put another label on it randomly, just call it what it is, picking up a quarter. There is no need for me to label the action at all unless I'm in a position to explain what…

> This started as me labeling an action as theft. That's what I mean with the rapist example too. If you have sex with someone, do I have the right to call you a rapist first and withhold judgement until I have more information? If for me a rapist isn't necessarily a bad act.

No, you are jumping straight into calling someone a rapist. If I described perfectly consensual sex and you replied "it's rape" with no explanation, you should also expect repercussions for the misunderstanding.

Labeling an act primarily privately and publicly labeling a person are vastly different.

This might answer your question though. If you pointed at someone and said "this person is a rapist," I would withhold judgment until learning more details. A label is not enough to evaluate someone's life. And I try to limit who i casually toss such labels onto, preferring to give some detail into their act.

Re: Amazon Isn’t the Only Shop Online

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Post by Shebanator » Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 11:28 PM UTC

odysseus wrote: post #337

Shebanator wrote: post #81

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it is a pizza stone, but metal. I have one and it is super heavy, which makes it inconvenient to use, but it does improve the crust quality of oven-baked pizzas.

How much of an improvement is it? I was considering getting "the original baking steel" for crispier crusts but wasn't sure if it was worth ~$80 for a hunk of metal. Is it significantly crispier crust than a regular old oven rack (which really isn't very crispy at all)?

yes, it retains way more heat than your oven rack or a typical sheet pan. The real question is how much better is it than a ceramic pizza stone? Better, but probably not a huge amount better.

Re: Amazon Isn’t the Only Shop Online

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Post by thirdsun » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 12:38 PM UTC

yCloser wrote: post #442

EU here, things seem pretty good here. * I ordered 20kg of oranges from sicily, no shipping costs, arrived in 2days * Coffee, same thing * a bass guitar, same * groceries are delivered in a day from local shops * for electronics i bought from many shops, usually takes ~1week. still OK for a washing machine or those big items ...seems that "the infrastructure" that amazon required for ups/dhl/* are being used by any o…

Not to mention that returns/refunds are a non-issue over here since the EU enforces sane minimum customer protection standards. I never had to worry whether I’ll be able to return an item, regardless of where I purchased it, which still seems to be an important consideration for many commenters in this thread.