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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by wj »

downer56 wrote: post #416
totfz wrote: post #398

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If you haven't used Chrome, no wonder you haven't noticed Firefox sucking. But a side-to-side speed and responsiveness comparison of Chrome and Firefox is unfair even today.

I have used Chrome and Firefox side-by-side, consistently since Chrome's original release. I have used Netscape and Internet Explorer since before both existed. I have performance gaming rigs of all generations, and I develop software. I have multiple generations of Apple machines as well. I run Windows and Linux. Firefox doesn't suck, and matches Chrome. But there's no accounting for user behavior. I have seen user…

Chrome handles PDF and printing (with the preview) better than Firefox in my opinion. I probably like Chrome a bit more for dev work as well but as a user they're pretty similar with the exception of the PDFs that I mentioned.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Krasnol »

kansi wrote: post #452

Reading this breaks my heart. I have been a Firefox user for almost a decade now and I have good and bad memories with it. Since Quantum release my experience with FF has been nothing but exceptional. On a general day I have around ~15 pinned tabs and more than 50 other tabs open and FF handles it like a breeze. The memory usage is good given the fact that my workload is heavy. On a dual-core machine, I am able to re…

It's hard to compete with a product that is being spread like crap ware bundled with other freeware or pushed through Android or the main search engine on the internet.

From my experience this is the ways most of the people I know came in contact with Chrome. Even those where I've installed FF end up with Chrome. When I ask them why they switched, they don't know. They don't even know where it came from...this is what you get from clicking "Next" without reading...

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by bad_user »

devxpy wrote: post #484
bad_user wrote: post #480

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> “ I am tired of listening to people screaming their lungs out about privacy when their actions don't reflect their opinions. ” Those screaming for privacy, like myself, are in fact a small minority. Also regardless of the topic, double standards are rampant in this community. You’ll often see people screaming against Google but still using @gmail.com because paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month…

> paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month That's some expensive coffee.

My FastMail account costs $50 / year or $130 / 3 years, thus with a monthly cost starting at 3.6 USD. That's less than the price of a Starbucks Grande Latte.

Google's G Suite, which is still better than free web mail since you no longer have the lock-in, plus a better privacy policy, is $5 per month, which is almost the price of a Starbucks Venti Latte. And this is actually an expensive offering in the business.

So no, it's not an expensive coffee, especially since we are talking about a highly skilled and highly paid demographic.

Also I'm from Romania where we have a lower cost of living and lower wages to go with it, so seeing my Silicon Valley brethren complaining about the price of paying for non-free email on your own domain is really awkward, given the importance of email.

I get it, I hate subscriptions for software too. But not when that service is essential for your profession, your security or your privacy and email is all of the above.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by majewsky »

oelmekki wrote: post #360
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #220

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Why not just configure your server or a proxy to add the necessary headers that unlock CORS restrictions.

Because having code that behaves differently on development and production is never a solution, it's a workaround. Having bugs that can't be reproduced locally is the worst thing that can happen to a developer. So yeah, you can _just_ put environment settings if you have no other possible way, but you should really avoid it if there is any other one (like using chrome with CORS disabled, here).

By that same argument, using Chrome with CORS disabled is just as bad, if not worse. If you only test in Chrome with CORS disabled, how do you know that CORS works at all?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by wslh »

kansi wrote: post #452

Reading this breaks my heart. I have been a Firefox user for almost a decade now and I have good and bad memories with it. Since Quantum release my experience with FF has been nothing but exceptional. On a general day I have around ~15 pinned tabs and more than 50 other tabs open and FF handles it like a breeze. The memory usage is good given the fact that my workload is heavy. On a dual-core machine, I am able to re…

> I have read comments in this thread suggesting that FF's performance is not that snappy but I cannot seem to notice any difference.

I tried to switch from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago but I had a terrible experience using Hangouts with a customer for two hours. The Firefox degraded until a point of no return and that sucks when you are talking with a customer. I initially blamed the network but there was no signal of network issues.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Rjevski »

moccachino wrote: post #489
bad_user wrote: post #480

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> “ I am tired of listening to people screaming their lungs out about privacy when their actions don't reflect their opinions. ” Those screaming for privacy, like myself, are in fact a small minority. Also regardless of the topic, double standards are rampant in this community. You’ll often see people screaming against Google but still using @gmail.com because paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month…

To be fair it does take much more than $20 worth of effort to migrate all your stuff from gmail. How much more I don't know since I've yet to do it, even though I've been paying for another email service for more than a year.

It doesn't take that much more. Office 365's base plan is something like 35£/year, plus around 10£/year for a domain. They offer IMAP import so migrating from Gmail is seamless.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by morganvachon »

devxpy wrote: post #484
bad_user wrote: post #480

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> “ I am tired of listening to people screaming their lungs out about privacy when their actions don't reflect their opinions. ” Those screaming for privacy, like myself, are in fact a small minority. Also regardless of the topic, double standards are rampant in this community. You’ll often see people screaming against Google but still using @gmail.com because paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month…

> paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month That's some expensive coffee.

You can run your own email server via Vultr or DO for $5/month or less. You have to do some work to maintain it so there's the cost of time invested, so maybe two coffees/month. You can also opt for Fastmail or ProtonMail, or similar privacy-respecting email services, and again you're getting it for less than $5/month. I use Fastmail for my main email account and I love it.

I use Tiger Technologies (https://tigertech.net) for hosting mine and my wife's personal sites and email, they are all I need for basic Wordpress/email hosting and they have a superb support team. If I decide I want to get my hands dirty with running a server, I use Vultr.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Markoff »

fyfy18 wrote: post #321
mherrmann wrote: post #313

Chrome lost me when it started to force-login me to Chrome when signing into Gmail, thus sharing all my website visits with Google. I switched to FF two months ago and haven't looked back. FF is like Linux: less polished, but works, and you are in control. A fair tradeoff for me.

I switched over summer and the only thing I really miss is the translation built into Chrome. S3.Translator seems to be the recommended alternative, but compared to Chrome it's next to useless. I find it very slow, constantly nagging and often it breaks websites. in Chrome the translation 'just works'.

it's even worse on android, only alternative to Chrome if you need translation it's Edge for android, which it's still using inferior translation, tried it for few minutes and saw completely opposite transmission than was meaning on the page

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by sametmax »

mehrdadn wrote: post #460
unixhero wrote: post #379

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Marketing should not be underestimated.

I actually tried switching. I found Firefox to be still slower than Chrome. At least on Google sites it may not be their fault but knowing where to put the blame doesn't help me on my end. Marketing doesn't seem like the likely fix.

Are you on Mac? If yes, it's not a feeling, it's a real problem Mozilla is trying to address but have yet to crack. Firefox is an order of magnitude more performant on windows and linux.
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