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Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by doublerebel »

mattbierner wrote: post #319
bluedino wrote: post #45

In all seriousness, porn would be an amazing application for this technology.

The medium brings new opportunities sure, but also its own challenges. For example, capturing convincing 3D representations of live people is really difficult. Even just motion capture in specially designed studios isn’t easy. Besides 2D overlays, I suspect that most AR applications will use avatars instead of trying to digitize real people. An unrealistic or cartoonish avatar would also avoid any uncanny valleyness…

Microsoft has 2 Mixed Reality studios now that do 3D capture, one in SF and the other in Seattle, which they rent out for VR game creation and other purposes.

NVidia also has a 3D video capture tech called Virtual Eye. Rumor has it modern compression brings the video within 20% of 2D video size.

While it's not yet feasible for an AR headset to do such dense capture, the tech is not far off.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by pharrington »

tigershark wrote: post #489
pharrington wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article begins with the author describing several demos, only after which he is guided to a different room where he has, in his own words, "My first close look at the full Magic Leap hardware." Rony Abovitz calls the chips supposedly powering his tech "Sea Monkeys."

"I noticed that when I moved or looked around, her eyes tracked mine. The cameras inside the Lightwear was feeding her data so she could maintain eye contact."

Yes. The machines used to render that demo were, in the author's own words, not the full Magic Leap hardware.

edit: Also, even if that demo was the advertised Magic Leap hardware, it still only responded to camera movement, and Miller said the demo had capabilities that he refused to actually display.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by Klathmon »

shimon wrote: post #262
phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

There are two reasons why the field is focused on gaming and not productivity: fidelity and familiarity. It's hard to build high-enough fidelity into the hardware at a reasonable price point. And even if you did make VR goggles that were great for giant spreadsheets at $1000, it would be a weird enough idea that it would have to be massively better than $1000 worth of monitors to get people interested. In gaming, on…

>And even if you did make VR goggles that were great for giant spreadsheets at $1000, it would be a weird enough idea that it would have to be massively better than $1000 worth of monitors to get people interested.

I'll admit that I might not be the "average person" that this is target, but I completely disagree.

I've often said that developers should have powerful machines and tools, pretty much regardless of price. Salaries are often over $100k/yr, and at that price if something makes you a few percent more productive but costs a few thousand dollars, it will (in theory) pay for itself in less than a year.

And for something like this, it would easily make me more than a few percent more productive. Just being able to take the equivalent of 3 monitors with me when I'm on a plane, or am working somewhere other than my normal workstation alone would be worth it. Plus the fact that i'm no longer limited to screen realestate means that when i'm actually "in the zone" and really getting shit done, I'm not going to be struggling with frustration at needing 3 console windows open, plus 2 editors, 2 browser windows, and a chat window. Just being able to throw a console or 3 at a spot where I can glance without having to take my hands off the keyboard or alt+tab through several windows in some cases would be a giant QoL improvement!

For me, this would truly be revolutionary. A headset that lives up to the promise of "a 1080p screen, but everywhere" would change so much of how I work it would be completely revolutionary. And I'd easily be willing to throw a few thousand at a product like this without even thinking about it (with the caveat that it would need to look like it's going to be supported for a while, and won't just ship a device and never release software for it again).

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by tigershark »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #449
tigershark wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the reason why I hate conspiracy theorist. You can't argue with them because they think to know everything despite the evidence of the contrary.

> despite the evidence of the contrary You're on a bit of a roll across this thread [1] without anything more than the Rolling Stone article. People are expressing healthy skepticism towards a company that has been publicly caught in a material lie, has raised a lot of VC with little to show for it, and made an announcement with lots of CGI and a vague "2018" release date. Given whom this announcement is targeting, I…

Because I hate people that lie and spread misinformation. You are not expressing healthy skepticisim, you are outrightly affirming that the Rolling Stones journalist is lying and you are misinforming everyone with your false statements.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by pfranz »

lvoudour wrote: post #68

Since the 1st iteration of the design is apparently ready, why can't they just show a small demo? It's supposed to be shipping in 2018. They could easily have hired a team of top notch creators to showcase some of the capabilities of the device live -even if the device is still not 100% ready- instead of this silly Manhattan project secrecy. I hope they deliver as promised, but something smells fishy. It's a pity, be…

I know a couple people that got hired specifically to work on content for it. I don't know anything about what they're working on because of the secrecy of everything around Magic Leap.

I imagine the reason they haven't shown anything is because they can only showcase the tech on the hardware itself, which isn't far enough along or in enough quantities to demo. I always thought the ads trying to show off some new 4k thing playing on my non-4k tv was silly.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by mrighele »

jMyles wrote: post #429
mrighele wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. Is it ? If we talk abour VR, yes, but there are a number of companies actually delivering AR products whose focus is on productivity. Some examples (but there are more) are Microsoft with Hololens [1] Epson with Moverio devices [2] Sony [3] Vuzix [4] Their oldest model are simple smart glasses, it seems to me that they are mo…

Interesting - of these, I had only heard of the Hololens. Do you have a take on which, if any of these, are ready or nearly ready for regular use?

I had the chance to try only one of those, so I cannot make an informed comparison: one really has to try the device because I think that there is almost no relation between marketing videos and the actual experience.

My interest is mainly the healthcare sector, and while I have in mind a few applications, I think that for now they are not able to offer something a smartphone in the pocket of a doctor with a properly designed app, cannot do in the same amount of time.

If I had to make a wild bet on what will be the first successful consumer application of AR glasses I would say glasses for cyclists: the user can really benefit from not having to watch away from the road and we are already used to see them riding with funny glasses anyway :-). (in fact it seems there are already a bunch of companies focusing on that).

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by lamp_book »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #467
tigershark wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is absolutely false, the Rolling Stones journalist tested extensively the miniaturised prototype.

> one year ago, Magic Leap was lying about the technology they had >> This is absolutely false The Information documented Magic Leap lying about something unambiguous and untrue. That is absolutely true.

And if you're choosing who to trust between The Information and The Rolling Stone... well that's like choosing between a Bugatti Veyron and a Ford Pinto.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by heurist »

pfranz wrote: post #495
lvoudour wrote: post #68

Since the 1st iteration of the design is apparently ready, why can't they just show a small demo? It's supposed to be shipping in 2018. They could easily have hired a team of top notch creators to showcase some of the capabilities of the device live -even if the device is still not 100% ready- instead of this silly Manhattan project secrecy. I hope they deliver as promised, but something smells fishy. It's a pity, be…

I know a couple people that got hired specifically to work on content for it. I don't know anything about what they're working on because of the secrecy of everything around Magic Leap. I imagine the reason they haven't shown anything is because they can only showcase the tech on the hardware itself, which isn't far enough along or in enough quantities to demo. I always thought the ads trying to show off some new 4k…

I know some people working on the tools side who claim Magic Leap is the real deal but won't give any details due to NDAs.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by l33tbro »

buro9 wrote: post #60

I'm pretty optimistic about Magic Leap, and lightfield technology in general. Where I see it really shining is as a successor to staged plays, and cinema. The thought of allowing viewers to really deeply immerse, comfortably for long periods of time, to control the point of focus, to move around. Kurosawa would shoot movies by building whole sets with all walls intact that worked from every angle, and having the acto…

I think you're correct about stage, but great cinema to me relies on a director's unique point of view. The meaning derived from cinematic storytelling lies entirely in where the camera is placed at that specific moment of the narrative playing out.

Perhaps I'm too narrow-minded, but I fail to see how this tech would create a compelling cinematic experience. Stage, on the other hand, makes complete sense.

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