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Opened the link on a mobile phone. Got a full screen image with the following text: "welcome to day one". OK, let's scroll a bit. This is the text that follows: "We're adding another dimension to computing. Where digital respects the physical." What's this site about? What's the product? I understand that designing a website is tricky, but - to me - this site seems an example of something aesthetically pleasing, but…

At least it doesn’t look like the Stripe site! /s

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I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

There are two reasons why the field is focused on gaming and not productivity: fidelity and familiarity. It's hard to build high-enough fidelity into the hardware at a reasonable price point. And even if you did make VR goggles that were great for giant spreadsheets at $1000, it would be a weird enough idea that it would have to be massively better than $1000 worth of monitors to get people interested.

In gaming, on the other hand, the unfamiliarity of the tech is not a risk but an asset, making the experience more novel. The fidelity doesn't have to be sufficient to overtake an existing process, just to support a fun experience. That's a more scalable business with lower technological barriers to entry, so that's where businesses are focused.

Same reason we had Pong before PCs. You might also see major tech advances in products for specific targets, like military use, medical, or advanced manufacturing, that then trickle down to mainstream productivity applications. But until they get the tech good and cheap enough, expect progressively better games!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of their demo videos show that. In fact, they seem to prefer shooting demo videos in really dark rooms. Presumably to cover up that limitation.

I think you have to take those demo videos with a pinch of salt. It's impossible to demo tech like this without wearing the device. Assumedly the field of view is inaccurate as well. What's interesting is that it's a 'light field' and not just a screen, hopefully opening up areas of innovation. Let's see how it pans out once more details are revealed.

The demos have enough information to see that they can't do opacity. But I agree that YouTube videos can't deliver the entire AR experience.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you're not very familiar with the Hololens. It looks very different to me. The "goggles" look seems to indicate the rendering will cover the full field of view. The computer pack seems to indicate they are either going for greater visual fidelity or longer battery life (or both). And the controller is more akin to the desktop VR systems than Hololens' janky hand gestures (though I would honestly prefer someone…

"The viewing space is about the size of a VHS tape held in front of you with your arms half extended. It’s much larger than the HoloLens, but it’s still there. “I can say that our future gen hardware tech significantly expands the field of view,” Miller says. “So the field of view that you are looking at on these devices is the field of view this will ship with. From https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/light…

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I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

> I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming

Because gamers are a community well know to spend several hundreds of dollars easily for any kind of upgrade to their existing hardware. At least the core PC gamers, and that's quite a large segment nowadays.

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Since the 1st iteration of the design is apparently ready, why can't they just show a small demo? It's supposed to be shipping in 2018. They could easily have hired a team of top notch creators to showcase some of the capabilities of the device live -even if the device is still not 100% ready- instead of this silly Manhattan project secrecy. I hope they deliver as promised, but something smells fishy. It's a pity, be…

why can't they just show a small demo?

You know the answer to that already.

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#267

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

> I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming Because gamers are a community well know to spend several hundreds of dollars easily for any kind of upgrade to their existing hardware. At least the core PC gamers, and that's quite a large segment nowadays.

Myself and millions of others would spend thousands for this, and thousands more for upgrades. When you consider this is the tool that you use to make your salary, anything that makes me more productive with a better quality of life starts to be worth more than the price of a new car.

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Doesn’t seem any different from Hololens. Can somebody fill me in?

It seems to have a larger field of view. Hololens (I have one) is about the size of a credit card held out with your arm half extended. This one is the size of a VHS tape. Also, the unit appears to be lighter as processing is done by a pocket computer that comes with it. Hololens is completely self-contained and thus heavier and less comfortable. I wonder if they'll use the same Unity/C# dev tools.

VHS tape with arm half extended is actually the exact size I calculate for hololens, given the field of view of the hololens is 30°x17°, and an outstretched arm's distance is 35cm:

2 * tan(30 degrees / 2) * 35cm = 188mm

2 * tan(17 degrees / 2) * 35cm = 105mm

A VHS tape is 187mm x 103mm.

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I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

I think the technology is just not quite there for that yet. When it is we will see innovation and a push towards that.

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I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

For your point 2), have you seen the Tap (no affiliation, just excited about it)? https://www.tapwithus.com
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