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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by klipt »

cygwin98 wrote: post #254
mathattack wrote: post #219

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I think Bing is a lost battle. The real question is what can they do on Azure, and can they move people to a cloud-based Office suite. On arrogance - this comes with size. The larger a company gets, the more internal stakeholders they have. What was once a simple, "Of course we'll change that" turns into "Who else is impacted to this change?" to "Let's only change what we need to, and not get distracted by everything…

I think Bing is a lost battle. The real question is what can they do on Azure, and can they move people to a cloud-based Office suite. Bing is actually doing surprisingly well, considering the team competes with probably the most successful department and the foundation of GOOG. IMHO it's likely one of very few successful strategic moves of MSFT in competitive markets. Without Bing, GOOG would pretty much print money…

> freebies backed by big pockets

That also describes Bing.

> The recent move of GOOG pushing for Dart is a dangerous sign that GOOG is starting to flex its muscle and do whatever they want.

How exactly is Dart dangerous? It's open source, unlike C#.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by CmonDev »

frowaway001 wrote: post #423
romanovcode wrote: post #346

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Yea, It's pretty good. But believe me - it has nothing on VS2013.

I'm always surprised when C# developers think VS is the best thing ever. Having used multiple languages and technologies, I'm not even slightly impressed by VS.

Everyone on HN used multiple languages and technologies. Have you used VS with ReSharper?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by CmonDev »

shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

OSS is nice, but why do you guys keep pushing the shitty HTML5? It is totally crap for enterprise. Also EF is always trying to catch up with NHibernate, why not simply contribute to the latter?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by ygra »

MichaelGG wrote: post #270
sremani wrote: post #184

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Microsoft's handle on language development (thanks to Anders Hejlsberg) is the best in the industry.

Thanks to Don Syme? F# surpasses C# as a language, and a lot of the CLRs power comes from proper generics. And Simon Peyton Jones (Haskell is pretty neat, isn't it)? C#'s a nice contender against Java, but in my hindsight , it had an overly limited vision.

C# is a pragmatic language. It never was about pushing boundaries.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by mattlutze »

zmmmmm wrote: post #364
adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

> I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again It's extremely dangerous to think if Microsoft as weak. They have enormous profits and revenue - far, far bigger than Google, for example - that are secure far into the future. They are willing to plow this money for an almost indefinite amount of time into any product to brute force it to success (see Xbox) and they are willing stoop lower and employ underhand tacti…

Except that, I'd dare say most of the successes in the last 5-10 years, IMO, have not been merely "brute force" successes. XBox is a fantastic product, all things considered. Azure is a compelling competitor.

It would be more accurate to say Microsoft is willing to plow money into a product long enough for that product development to get past the barriers to success that are inherit in a 130k person software company.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by CmonDev »

ascotan wrote: post #431
adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

Microsoft cooked it's own hotdog. They have always been 2 steps behind on virtually every product release. Windows phone - check. Browser that supports modern javascript - check. An OS that looks wonky on the desktop because they're attempting to play catch-up with mobile devices - check. You can probably throw Azure cloud services up there too. If this guy can clean house and run a better ship that what they've been…

Two steps ahead in terms of GUI design though (not talking about applying it correctly everywhere).

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by klipt »

JonFish85 wrote: post #363
taylodl wrote: post #197

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Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

> They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. I feel like in some ways they were victims of their own success (Microsoft was). Building the core of an OS around a browser? At the time, a fairly novel idea, but really forward-looking. And I believe that's part of what brought about the massive anti-trust lawsuit.

As I understand it, the first version of the Microsoft Network (MSN) didn't allow general internet access at all - it was a completely proprietary walled garden, like the original AOL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN#MSN_Classic

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by CmonDev »

machbio wrote: post #447
Touche wrote: post #439

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I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

That would be the most awesome thing that could ever happen, when they can just keep offering the windows 8 for the customers in boxed but allowing developers to contribute to the project.. I cannot think of percentage of people who will be lost customers, it will not matter when everyone in another 10 years will have their own linux systems on cloud..

Is next decade finally going to be the decade of Linux?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by derefr »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #465
adamcanady wrote: post #461

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Can you explain?

Let's just say that comparing Windows to the linux kernel would be a mistake. Hosting the windows source would be a challenge for any source control system out there. Git / github is not exactly optimized for projects of that size.

But wouldn't it be nice if Windows could be modularized in the process of such an open-sourcing effort, such that that comparison wouldn't be a mistake? For example, if just the NT kernel could be separated into its own project, with a clean linkage-point, there'd probably be all sorts of interesting efforts to, for example, create a Debian/NT distribution, or cross-pollinate driver code between Windows and Linux. (Actually, having two major open-source consumer-PC OSes would probably finally force a standardization on a HAL to allow a single driver-pool code base to be shared between the two systems.)

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by klipt »

mason240 wrote: post #139
ebbv wrote: post #89

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It means he's one of those white racists who doesn't think he's racist.

I read it as the above person being a SJW who has a problem with Nadella being "white on the inside."

I'd think a SJW would be more concerned that he's an able bodied cishet male. That's only marginally better than the dreaded able bodied cishet white male.
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