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Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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Post by rayiner »

pasquinelli wrote: post #452
rayiner wrote: post #431

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> as for iran, they've been the picture of restraint since trump's first term. They tried to assassinate Trump, before he did any of this!

my reflex was to think that sounds like a lie israel would tell to get trump to go to war with iran, but i realize my reflexes aren't always right, so i looked it up and it turns out, yes, it's obviously an israeli lie and the only reason you'd believe it is because you really want to.

There was DOJ prosecution under the Biden administration: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx28x187rmko.

I'm going to believe Biden's DOJ over Iran...

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Post by 737min »

nish__ wrote: post #454
andriy_koval wrote: post #326

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> even Pakistan and India, which are at each other throat all the time Iran is way more aggressive in spreading influence in region (hoothis, hezbollah, hamas, Syria, Iraq, denying Israel existence).

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There is no evidence Israel killed 70,000 innocents. But there is strong evidence Iran killed 40,000 demonstrators and Hamas killed 1,000’s innocent.

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Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #430
marcyb5st wrote: post #261

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> Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. It's an intolerable premise and if the price to be paid is global oil catastrophe it's a price well worth paying Says you. All other nuclear nations behave (even Pakistan and India, which are at each other throat all the time). What makes you think that Iran won't? It will also have Russia and China keep a lid on them, same as North Korea. And I don't buy the "Iran is different" go…

> All other nuclear nations behave (even Pakistan and India, which are at each other throat all the time). What makes you think that Iran won't? Because Iran's leadership is actually crazy.

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Post by chasd00 »

mikem170 wrote: post #444
boplicity wrote: post #346

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> All other nuclear nations behave Russia, China, the U.S., North Korea, Israel. These are all countries that absolutely do not behave. Each commits atrocities on a regular basis. Them having nukes makes accountability much more difficult. Just to be clear: the current situation is a huge mess caused by one deranged leader.

> Just to be clear: the current situation is a huge mess caused by one deranged leader. Agreed. The situation is worse than before the U.S. attack. Iran has proven they can control the straight, threatening the world's energy supply. This is a more powerful weapon than a nuke (which multiple agencies, including U.S. intel, said they didn't have when this all started). New leadership in Iran is more galvanized against…

> The U.S. already lost this war. Iran is dictating terms. Allies in the region have seen that the U.S. cannot protect them, and are making other accomodations, reducing U.S. influence in the region and beyond.

literally no part of this sentence is accurate.

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Post by fluffybucktsnek »

kryogen1c wrote: post #476
bpodgursky wrote: post #411

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You have far, far too much faith in the professionalism of armed forces in the developing world. 99% of it is just random 22 year old guys with guns and dual-use communication tech.

> too much faith in the professionalism I dont know that its a matter of professionalism. Everyone in the world has known that AI can generate video and audio that is imperceptibly fake, for years. And thats to say nothing of man-made forgeries in the years prior. I have a hard time seeing people on the front line throwing down arms and running away because of an unsourced twitter clip.

We, as in the terminally online, have known that AI can generate imperceptibly fake footage. There are still plenty of average people who still gets caught off guard.

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Post by throwaway473825 »

ericmay wrote: post #319
jrajav wrote: post #277

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High oil prices affect them less than any other country in the world. They have the largest oil stockpiles by far, eclipsing even the US, and they have unique access to oil sanctioned by the west. China is essentially the only actor in the market that is able to weather this conflict in marathon fashion.

The US is the largest producer of oil and natural gas in the world (or #2 or something - besides the point). Your argument that only China can weather these price disruptions doesn't seem to hold water for that reason and because of Chinese actions to use that strategic supply to keep prices lower than they otherwise would be. It's not because it's some random benefit for the world (including the US) it's because the…

China's economy is one of the least dependent on oil and gas. Electricity is mostly coal, renewables and nuclear. Transport is increasingly electric (including trucks). Chemicals are moving from oil and gas to coal.

If global oil and gas prices rise, Chinese electricity and transport prices are largely unaffected, unlike the rest of the world. Even the US doesn't have that kind of resilience.

However, China is a net importer of oil and gas, while the US is a net exporter, so when it comes to trade the US is the main beneficiary, although it mainly benefits one single sector.

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Post by eklavya »

marcyb5st wrote: post #261
ericmay wrote: post #146

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> Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. It's an intolerable premise and if the price to be paid is global oil catastrophe it's a price well worth paying Says you. All other nuclear nations behave (even Pakistan and India, which are at each other throat all the time). What makes you think that Iran won't? It will also have Russia and China keep a lid on them, same as North Korea. And I don't buy the "Iran is different" go…

I keep wondering about this western worldview where they keep equating a militant failed state with the largest democracy in the world. I can't fathom why they do it.

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Post by bpodgursky »

kryogen1c wrote: post #476
bpodgursky wrote: post #411

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You have far, far too much faith in the professionalism of armed forces in the developing world. 99% of it is just random 22 year old guys with guns and dual-use communication tech.

> too much faith in the professionalism I dont know that its a matter of professionalism. Everyone in the world has known that AI can generate video and audio that is imperceptibly fake, for years. And thats to say nothing of man-made forgeries in the years prior. I have a hard time seeing people on the front line throwing down arms and running away because of an unsourced twitter clip.

You gotta touch grass and get outside and talk to normies.

And then recognize that the normies you talk to are VASTLY MORE internet-savvy than the illiterate child soldiers on the front lines in Yemen. You have no concept of the info environment they live in. It is all magic electronic soup.

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Post by DaveFr »

nish__ wrote: post #454
andriy_koval wrote: post #326

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> even Pakistan and India, which are at each other throat all the time Iran is way more aggressive in spreading influence in region (hoothis, hezbollah, hamas, Syria, Iraq, denying Israel existence).

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Israel is a nuclear power. Seems obvious that if Iran gains and uses nukes, they'll receive nuclear retaliation. Does Iran want that?
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