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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by jrmg »

3lpsy wrote: post #68

Maybe it’s cause I’ve never actually used it, but I really only care about a stable / well supported Bluetooth connection. I have a holder for my phone for when I use GPS and basically never interact with it directly after it’s set. Only real interactions are media controls via the steering wheel. The only use cases I can see car play helping with are those who take a lot of calls/texts in their car while driving and…

So, I fully recognize this is dumb, but humans (like me!) are dumb and lazy.

The ability to just get in your car and have the phone-powered interface right there without having to take your phone out of your pocket and mount it in the holder is something I didn’t ‘niceness’ of before experiencing it.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by jrmg »

Telaneo wrote: post #397
alex_suzuki wrote: post #160

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Nothing prevents them from removing CarPlay in an update, though? Unless you make sure to never connect the car to the internet. Some garages will update FW for you unasked I hear.

This would not fly in Europe. You would be able to return the car for having lost crucial functionality, at least within 2 years of the sale (in some jurisdictions, 5 years). They could do it after that, but functionally forcing a subscription to get back a worse version of the functionality one already had for free sounds like a bad way to encourage sales of said subscription.

Removing an advertised-at-sale feature in an update wouldn’t fly in the US either.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by artisinal »

Telaneo wrote: post #466
artisinal wrote: post #464

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When the wireless CarPlay connects I can’t use Google Maps on my phone screen anymore. It’s one of the reasons I dumped it for other navigation apps. I also disliked the Google Maps spam I got on CarPlay while using other navigation apps. Very intrusive.

> When the wireless CarPlay connects I can’t use Google Maps on my phone screen anymore. Huh. That doesn't happen with wired carplay (at least for me), and I can't see why this would be different. > I also disliked the Google Maps spam I got on CarPlay while using other navigation apps. I haven't noticed that either for that matter. When you say 'spam' here, what exactly do you mean?

When I look up a place on Google Maps but don’t use it for navigation. I then use another app for navigation. After 15 minutes Google Maps starts showing notifications on CarPlay asking me if I want to use Google Maps to navigate to my destination. I classify that as spam and distracting while driving.

This was about a year ago, I completely stopped using Google Maps since.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by Telaneo »

artisinal wrote: post #483
Telaneo wrote: post #466

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> When the wireless CarPlay connects I can’t use Google Maps on my phone screen anymore. Huh. That doesn't happen with wired carplay (at least for me), and I can't see why this would be different. > I also disliked the Google Maps spam I got on CarPlay while using other navigation apps. I haven't noticed that either for that matter. When you say 'spam' here, what exactly do you mean?

When I look up a place on Google Maps but don’t use it for navigation. I then use another app for navigation. After 15 minutes Google Maps starts showing notifications on CarPlay asking me if I want to use Google Maps to navigate to my destination. I classify that as spam and distracting while driving. This was about a year ago, I completely stopped using Google Maps since.

I've disabled notifications for Google Maps, so that'd explain why I don't have that problem. It's either open and I'm actively using it, or I'm not and it shouldn't talk to me, so I don't see why it should notify my about anything.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by bluGill »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #341
jwr wrote: post #336

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Exactly! I can't stop wondering: are these executives just not thinking, or are they blindly repeating what they were told to? If I get into a rental car, do they seriously think I want to spend the next 30 minutes logging into Spotify, mapping apps, Overcast and anything else that I want to use but that needs to know me? And then worry about logging out of all that stuff once I return the rental?

It is hard to make an executive not enshittify something when his salary bonus depends on him enshittifying it.

The power here is on the rental car companies. They buy the most cars by far. And so when they say that customers won't accept a rental car without a CarPlay, the car makers will listen.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by jon-wood »

bheadmaster wrote: post #476
linzhangrun wrote: post #302

For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself. Its advantages are mainly these: - Consistency. You get into a new car, all you need to figure out is how to open CarPlay, no need to learning a completely different and often complicated infotainment system. - "It's on your phone". You can decide what playlist to play or w…

I can get the same thing with an aux cable

No. No you can't. The specific example of preparing a playlist sure, but Carplay goes way beyond that. You can preload the navigation route, tweak it a bit, then when you sit down and plug your phone into the car its on the navigation screen. You can make phone calls using the microphones in the car. In a sufficiently integrated car you can have turn by turn directions pop up on the dashboard or a heads up display rather than having to look down into the center console while trying to work out which lane you should be in.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by mlrtime »

brookst wrote: post #320
linzhangrun wrote: post #302

For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself. Its advantages are mainly these: - Consistency. You get into a new car, all you need to figure out is how to open CarPlay, no need to learning a completely different and often complicated infotainment system. - "It's on your phone". You can decide what playlist to play or w…

You missed the biggest one: continuity. Start listening to music at home, take it to the car. Start a podcast in the car, finish it in the gym. CarPlay is user-centric, which is why users like it. All these attempts to force people into a device-centric experience make no sense. I spent an hour or two a day, at most, in my car. My phone is within Bluetooth distance every waking moment. Why in the world would I want m…

That still works with apps though. Spotify app in a car would do the same thing.

But I get the point.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by DriverDaily »

bheadmaster wrote: post #476
linzhangrun wrote: post #302

For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself. Its advantages are mainly these: - Consistency. You get into a new car, all you need to figure out is how to open CarPlay, no need to learning a completely different and often complicated infotainment system. - "It's on your phone". You can decide what playlist to play or w…

I can get the same thing with an aux cable

Aux cables were ubiquitous when cars were rolling speakers. I wouldn’t buy a car without an aux input, I didn’t care how many cds it could hold.

Now that cars are rolling screens, I wouldn’t buy a car without screen mirroring for the same reason.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by bjord »

Telaneo wrote: post #458
izacus wrote: post #266

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That's a very common feature nowadays, isn't it? For a rather new models. E.g. Peugeot 4008 I was driving a few months ago could show CarPlay/Auto maps on main gauge cluster.

My Kia Soul has a version of this, but it doesn't integrate with Carplay, and the maps that came with the car are already outdated enough to bother me.

you actually may be able to update these. it's worth looking into.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by bluGill »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #334
iainmerrick wrote: post #300

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How do you mount your phone in a rental car? Do you bring your own phone holder with you?

When I plan to use a rental car I usually pack a phone holder that fits on air vents. You never know if you’ll be able to connect your phone to the car so that’s a small backup.

Be sure to let them know at the rental corner if you are dissatisfied because it doesn't work with your phone. Run car companies buy a lot of cars and in turn actually have input to how a car is made and they also have reason to care about your satisfaction. rental cars is one of the best places to get things to change because the rental car companies can get a change that you alone otherwise couldn't get made.
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