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Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by mrguyorama »

pasquinelli wrote: post #83
davidw wrote: post #73

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Or scientists know how to count and see that one number is larger than another; and understand that that's an important factor in many political systems.

interesting how that logic only applies about half the time.

It doesn't. The republicans are able to stop things a lot of the time because Democrats don't have a strong majority in either house. They can barely scrape together a 50% plus 1 vote by bringing in people who are "Democrat" but for example refuse to allow public option healthcare or shut down of coal plants.

Republicans have voters that understand your guy has to be in the seat before you want something to happen. They correctly understand that if you just vote for more guys, you get more of what you want to happen, and correctly identify that the solution to not getting what you want is to get more seats in the next election.

I can never understand the shocking lack of civics education from people who get upset at democrats for not having power when the system describes in plain language that you need numbers for the power.

When Mitch McConnell prevented the vote to appoint a new supreme court justice, it was because he had that power as senate majority leader. If Democrats had a senate majority at that time, he could not have prevented the vote.

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Post by mrguyorama »

eudamoniac wrote: post #465
adampunk wrote: post #452

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Hi, I've been here forever.

Trump's tax cuts and climate policy is identical to what he did last time. Why did you vote for him if you were going to be unhappy with those policies?

If you didn't like him doing those things, which he clearly signaled he would do and nobody had any intention of stopping him, what did you vote for him for? How did those reasons outweigh the damage he does with his tax cuts and climate policy?

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Post by throwaway173738 »

idiotsecant wrote: post #137
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #94

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How many million graduate students do you need to give the US the military hegemony and political influence over allies and adversaries that the F-35 program provides ? Looked at from a policy maker's viewpoint, things look very different.

Does the F35 do that? Wasn't Iran shooting those down recently? If there's anything Iran has taught us it's that airpower doesn't win wars, allies do. The US will leave the middle east with their tail between their legs. This is the beginning of the end of the American Empire. For the privilege of spending enormous sums of treasure flying around dropping bombs on brown people what did we get? I would have rather seen…

> I would have rather seen that spent on giving lunch to every school age child or paying graduate students a wage above poverty level. At least something useful would have been accomplished

Yeah I guess the only thing we’ll give away for free these days is $100,000 bombs.

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Post by sofixa »

dotancohen wrote: post #479
sofixa wrote: post #473

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Who is talking about westerners here? What even is your argument, because it seems you're just throwing random catchphrases around. The topic is Iran. A theocracy with an unelected supreme leader with final say on political decisions and candidates for all elections in the otherwise relatively democratic system. Reformer in their context (hence the relative qualifier I used) is people like Ahmadinejad who are for rap…

You are talking about reforming Iran. You used the word yourself. > people like Ahmadinejad Oh, this guy: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23538717 Let's look at some of his policies: - Holocaust denial - Calling for the destruction of the state of Israel - Provided funding, training and arms to Hezbollah and Hamas - Condemned by the UK, Germa…

Look, in geopolitics it's good to be realistic.

Is Iran, ran by hateful men, but open to trade, integration, reform, inspections and having a lot to lose perfect? Of course it fucking isn't. But realistically it's the best we could have had.

Instead we have Iran ruled by even more hateful men. Men that saw their families blown up in front of them, and have nothing to lose. The economy is already shit, and they don't care about regular people, and as we saw in the recent protests, power structures are intact and they do not hesitate using them to enforce their rule. Men who were demonstrated multiple times that American promises don't mean anything. Those men also have a pretty clear path on how they'd be left alone - Kim's nuclear weapons / threat of destroying Seoul.

How is that any better? It isn't. It's drastically worse for everyone, from the common Iranian suffering under the regime to every single one of us that will have to live under the threat of Iranian nuclear weapons and worldwide economic disruption via Hormuz and direct sabotage.

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Post by eudamoniac »

mrguyorama wrote: post #482
eudamoniac wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Hi, I've been here forever. Trump's tax cuts and climate policy is identical to what he did last time. Why did you vote for him if you were going to be unhappy with those policies? If you didn't like him doing those things, which he clearly signaled he would do and nobody had any intention of stopping him, what did you vote for him for? How did those reasons outweigh the damage he does with his tax cuts and climate p…

> Why did you vote for him if you were going to be unhappy with those policies?

I voted for him for his other signalled policies that I did agree with, obviously. I deemed those more important than the climate policy and tax policy.

> what did you vote for him for?

Primarily cultural issues, which he delivered on beyond what I expected. Examples include the EO to change university admission processes away from DEI, which will have a huge positive effect on my Asian children, and a reduction in immigration and H1Bs.

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Post by lopsotronic »

port11 wrote: post #288
benzible wrote: post #216

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I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

But… why? Climate change is very much real and even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it. Ok, some people make some cash. But wouldn’t they anyway? I don’t understand this need to keep pandering to a minority and to destroy ecosystems.

It's the deep desire for a sort of restorative authoritarianism: someone who can reduce the complex state of the world into "the way it should be".

The resentment is not versus fate or calamity but against those people who study and give voice to complexity. If someone can just shut those people up and make them go away, we will be restored to a simpler and more moral world. Where tragedy can rightly live in the realms of Gods and Mystery.

I would gently remind those that prefer such simplicity that not all nations do. We are not alone in the world. The nation that better understands the complexities of the natural world will, all else being equal, utterly trounce the nation that persists in fictionalizing existence. Unless you want to re-write your national anthem in Mandarin, you will someday need to (re-?)grapple with the complexities of the universe.

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Post by lopsotronic »

cco wrote: post #259
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #94

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How many million graduate students do you need to give the US the military hegemony and political influence over allies and adversaries that the F-35 program provides ? Looked at from a policy maker's viewpoint, things look very different.

Not nearly as clear cut as you make it out. We haven't been able to produce a complete F-35 since Feb 2026 because we lack the necessary rare earths to do create their electronics. Why? Because we stopped doing that work (and science) in the 90s and now China produces over 90% of rare earths on the planet and said the US can't have any for military purposes (its being negotiated). There are zero under and post gradua…

Block 4 is the only version they'd dare put up against a peer air defense, and Block 4 is delayed, delayed, delayed, and . . nowhere in sight, at the moment.

There has been two and a half decades of FUD billowing around the entire program, like the world's most expensive fart, so don't expect to know the truth until they fly the thing past Zamami Island in anger. But I personally will be mentally prepared for disappointment, with some bitter despair as digestif.

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Post by adampunk »

eudamoniac wrote: post #485
mrguyorama wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, I've been here forever. Trump's tax cuts and climate policy is identical to what he did last time. Why did you vote for him if you were going to be unhappy with those policies? If you didn't like him doing those things, which he clearly signaled he would do and nobody had any intention of stopping him, what did you vote for him for? How did those reasons outweigh the damage he does with his tax cuts and climate p…

> Why did you vote for him if you were going to be unhappy with those policies? I voted for him for his other signalled policies that I did agree with, obviously. I deemed those more important than the climate policy and tax policy. > what did you vote for him for? Primarily cultural issues, which he delivered on beyond what I expected. Examples include the EO to change university admission processes away from DEI, w…

Honey. Sugar. They’re not making this anti-DEI paradise for you or your kids. How do you not see that?

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Post by xp84 »

xp84 wrote: post #246
tombert wrote: post #140

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Yeah, no, it actually is mature enough. I hate divisive language like this, but Trump's only major concrete "policy" (if you can call it that) during his 2024 campaign was that he was going to somehow lower grocery prices by instituting tariffs, so basically "I'm going to lower prices by raising prices". That kind of idiotic quasi-doublespeak should have been a disqualifier for anyone with at least a two-digit IQ, bu…

All the tariffs were stupid, Trump is mostly stupid and completely corrupt, but voters felt a justifiable need to punish the Democrats for a presidency where they were gaslit every day. Inflation? What inflation? And the economy is great, actually! Biden’s mind is sharp as a tack! etc. That’s before you get into culture war social issues topics, where the Democrats were miles away from the average non-blue-haired vot…

Case in point, the several proud Democrats I've offended, who can't refute any of this reality, the downvote being their only copium.

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by eudamoniac »

adampunk wrote: post #488
eudamoniac wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why did you vote for him if you were going to be unhappy with those policies? I voted for him for his other signalled policies that I did agree with, obviously. I deemed those more important than the climate policy and tax policy. > what did you vote for him for? Primarily cultural issues, which he delivered on beyond what I expected. Examples include the EO to change university admission processes away from DEI, w…

Honey. Sugar. They’re not making this anti-DEI paradise for you or your kids. How do you not see that?

What I've seen for the past several years is that Asian and White applicants to universities, medical schools, and various other high institutions and careers are admitted at disproportionately lower rates when adjusting for qualifications. This is racism. If the left wanted my vote, they should have stopped being constantly, concretely racist against Asian people. Not the kind of harmless racism on the right that says we're bad drivers, but the deep institutional racism that bars us from the life we've merited and gives it to someone else because their skin color matters more.

I'm not going to respond to you anymore, because you insist on commenting in a supercilious manner unbecoming.

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