Is this the "multipolar world" that Russia keeps talking about.
Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers
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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers
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> Can you imagine anyone taking delivery of a newly built 737 in 10 years? ..yes? Companies are still placing orders, despite knowing how long the backlog is. I also expect the 737s will still be sold in 20+ years time, much less 7-10.
747s were in commercial production for 54 years (1970 to 2023).
For the last 15 years of 747 production the production rate was fewer than three per month and sometimes zero.
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> if you're referring to the "green men" in crimea: those were the ukranian (but culturally russian) garrissoned troops If you want to believe that Russia had no military forces in Ukraine before 2022, then I have a bridge to sell you. Or do you think Russia is in the habit of randomly transporting air defense systems with Russian crew through different nation-states they have nothing to do with? https://en.wikipedia…
> If you want to believe that Russia had no military forces in Ukraine before 2022 that's not what i said, and supporting a warring faction doesn't really qualify as "invasion" nor "taking territory". also, i would recommend very strict skepticism about politically sensitive content on wikipedia. it can still be useful for general timelines, but a simple check at the sources (when there are any) will reveal they tend…
> supporting a warring faction doesn't really qualify as "invasion" nor "taking territory"
Doing so with active duty military forces absolutely does.
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The people in the north aren't worked to death tho
Erm, yes they are. There are generational camps as well where people live because their parents and grandparents offended the Kim dynasty.
What evidence of this is there? We have plenty of evidence of the working conditions of south korea, however.
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How do you figure?
Because, your comments are contrafactual and not grounded in reality. When you make frankly hysterical statements the gist of which is that Israel is uniquely evil (more than Iran which massacred over 30,000 pro-democracy protesters in the span of two days this year, for example), it is clear that you’ve left reality far behind in your rear view-hence derangement.
> which massacred over 30,000 pro-democracy protesters
are you really this gullible? the last reliable numbers I saw capped the figures at ~7000, which includes people killed because they were (according to videos I saw) castrating government officials and roasting them over a spit.
Look, I'm as anti-state as any respectable person can be, but I don't see and evidence of protestor massacres.
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So I don't think 'buying US gear made you an ally' - it was just part of the package, and in some cases, the US would 'require allies' to buy. The US Ambassador to Canada is openly threatening Carney right now with some procurement things - the 'Big One' is the F35. This is Can PM Carney playing a decent card, and biding for time until the midterms, and then waiting out the 'lame duck' period. 'Border State Republica…
> Trump may not force the issue if he knows he's going to lose. That didn't play out at the end of his last term. I don't think Trump is a "I've had a good run, lets call it a day." kinda guy...
While he always talks tough regardless, I think his actions depend on the nature of the loss, e.g. him being all over the place on Iran, disregarding his own ceasefire for strikes and yet also heading towards a deal that's significantly worse than if he'd done nothing; or similarly all the everything in response to his threats against Greenland.
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If you read the memorandum text, at most the US promised to go to the UN security council if Ukraine's territorial integrity was threatened. https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/P... There is a lot of misinformation floating around the internet about this memorandum. Furthermore, even Wikipedia states: "The Budapest Memorandum is not a treaty, and it does not confer any new legal obligations for…
Your words are not proven in court.
What court would care to hear it?
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The trade deficit with Canada is because Americans are buying Canadian products. Enough Canadians (seriously, the vast majority) live close enough to the border that they could make a weekly trip to the USA and purchase American dairy and other American goods. In fact, prior to the tariffs many Canadians did make regular shopping trips across the border. So let's be clear: we were buying your products to the extent w…
no the trade deficit is the US buying canadian oil at a deep discount. canada buys US products and services to a large trade deficit where canadians get stuff in exchange for dollars. its just oil that the americans are really buying from canada
True enough; but they want to make it about Canadian Dairy, Softwood Lumber, Steel, Aluminum and so on.
Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers
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The F-35 always seemed like a funny choice for a mainline fighter for Canada. Even the US has invested in many more F-15EXs. Having a Hi/Lo mix makes sense for a larger force, but equipping a smaller force with only exquisite birds doesn't seem to make much sense. Then again, this is Canada - sensible decision making in military procurement just isn't something that happens here. But the economies of scale are such t…
The F-15EX is designed to be a stand-off missile truck that works in tandem with a network of forward-deployed stealth jets. This compensates for the relatively low ordnance load-out of stealth jets. A stealth jet can designate and cue a target from the front using an F-15EX as a missile launcher safely in the back since it is non-stealthy. The F-15EX isn't a particularly survivable aircraft on its own. It is a plane…
That's how the USA uses it, and for that use case it makes a tremendous amount of sense.
I just think it's a bit too rich for Canada's blood. Perhaps the whole-system costs do balance out in the end: surprisingly reasonable capex, capable at many roles, excellent at NATO combined roles, etc. There's a lot to like on the balance sheet. But the maintenance costs are killer, and we're talking about an exceedingly underfunded military (thanks to the politicians, our military do wonders with what they have).
I mean, in any real engagement our fleet is going to be blown away by a real adversary in short order. This is about presence and deterrence, I'm just not sure how essential stealth is to accomplish those goals. It sure is a nice pay day for Lockheed and friends though.