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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by simplyluke »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #373
simplyluke wrote: post #106

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Would you be excited about technology when it appears based on their stated intentions and revealed track record over the past 15 years of your young life that those driving it fully intend to use it to disenfranchise you further, not empower you? The reality of the world faced by today's 21 year old college grad is completely unlike the world graduates went into 20 years ago.

Would you be excited about technology when it appears based on their stated intentions and revealed track record over the past 15 years of your young life that those driving it fully intend to use it to disenfranchise you further, not empower you? Funny, I don't feel "disenfranchised" by AI. If you do, well... in the words of the other Steve, you're holding it wrong.

Nor do I, but the loudest voices in public have spent the past 4 years telling anyone with a microphone that white collar work is dead. How would you expect that to make a new graduate feel?

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Post by tim333 »

oxag3n wrote: post #447

Interesting times we observe. I don't recall such a massive rupture in opinions about modern technology. Even fight over blockchain and NFTs looks minuscule compared to AI. Engineers always fought about technology - MS technology stack iterations that promised new era in development, Borland RAD tools that made everyone "GUI developer", all those had evangelists and companies who pushed it. It's a healthy competition…

There hasn't been a tech nearly as disruptive in recent times and possibly in all human history. Agriculture and industry both had obvious benefits serving humanity whereas AI can be a bit more of a competitor to it.

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Post by jappgar »

maratc wrote: post #264
jappgar wrote: post #117

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They don't need money they just need votes. If money can buy votes then the problem rests with an apathetic and distracted electorate. You change that by giving a fuck and telling everyone you know what you actually think.

> If money can buy votes It's not that "money can buy votes," but for a given party money can buy facilities (offices, transportation, food, etc.) and people (activists, coordinators, etc.) and that can bring (not buy ) votes. Printing one "Rodriguez 2027" sign and putting that on your front lawn can be done for free at someone's office; printing ten million of them is a major financial, logistical and organisational…

That's why political parties were invented, so you don't need to create name recognition for every candidate.

Those signs aren't changing anyone's mind. But a party is something people can talk about and understand. It's unifying.

Giving a fuck means engaging with party politics and making it part of your day to day life (at least during election season).

Signs are the laziest and most inconsequential way of supporting a candidate. By far the best way is to convince everyone that you know in person to vote for a particular candidate.

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Post by jcgrillo »

aubanel wrote: post #437
jcgrillo wrote: post #108

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> Cope bias is powerful. Have you stopped to consider whether this statement might be more applicable to yourself? "Myopic lies" is at the very least highly exaggerated phrasing, if not itself myopic and a false characterization. If it's not too uncomfortable for you, some honest introspection might be worthwhile.

With what would I be coping? I'd much prefer (probably like most people) if AI were not that powerful. The harsh reality, and the stuff of cope, is that it's (too) powerful.

The trouble with this narrative is the evidence doesn't actually support it. If it is so powerful where are the results? If it was actually all that powerful it would be obvious. There wouldn't be any question. Nobody says "nuclear explosions aren't really all that much bigger than conventional explosions" because it's measurable and absolutely obvious just looking at one that they are. I don't believe you when you say "AI is powerful". Show me a convincing demonstration--like a Trinity type test. Show me a company that is wildly exceeding what all the other companies can, or what any company could before AI. It doesn't have to be a hydrogen bomb, a low yield conventional test would suffice. But until you have that demonstration ready, all the talk is just noise.

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Post by tracerbulletx »

limflick wrote: post #13
rebekkamikkoa wrote: post #2

I really like how he approaces AI. Not the tone other leaders are talking, but much more human and much more collaborative. How young people actually can help with the AI shaping. For example Eric Schmidt was really terrible at his speach in front of University of Arizona.

I wonder how Steve Jobs would've reacted to this GenAI boom. He constantly talked about the intersection of Humanities and tech, as well as fostering creativity by pushing people to their limits (for the better or worse), so I don't think he'd be one of those CEOs that's first in line to get rid of human workers as much as possible. Or maybe he would be and I'm just giving him too much credit. On an unrelated note, I…

From the bicycle of the mind, to the Rascal scooter of the mind.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

alsetmusic wrote: post #90

The man is hailed as a brilliant nerd in our circles. I didn't realize he's a great public speaker. He really read the room. The "McKenzie"-style lady and Schmidt from Google (who really seemed to resent the pushback and chided graduates), can go to hell. I'm happy that someone is telling the young people who are likely to suffer because of this tech that they matter. I can't imagine how much angst much exist after t…

The Game Developers Conference report takenn in March reported noted 74% of students felt their careers were at risk. To paraphrase:

> 74% of students who answered feel their future in this industry is at risk. The top fears were no entry level jobs, laid off seniors competing for the same jobs they're going for, and AI displacement.

There is so much anxiety for the future of society and it's a real shame this seems to be going on ignored.

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Post by NERD_ALERT »

Cabal wrote: post #472
Aurornis wrote: post #450

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> I don't recall such a massive rupture in opinions about modern technology. When I was young I ran into a number of adults who refused to use e-mail. They thought it was a disgrace, a fad, or useless. They hated being forced to write emails and tried to force everything into being a phone call or a meeting. Back then changes happened more gradually. It took a long time for technologies like cell phones and email to…

> Blockchain and NFTs were a useless sideshow. Their investors and hodlers were trying to force them into places they weren’t useful Not unlike trying to cajole a probabilistic text generator into writing code that isn't atrocious. And failing.

If you actually try and use frontier models with basic harnessing and skills setup, you can’t seriously make this claim. Agentic coding is getting extremely good when you take time to properly setup an environment for an agent to work in.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

registeredcorn wrote: post #473
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #435

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You missed the education related points. Different strokes. I found it extremely entertaining.

>I found it extremely entertaining. Forgive me for being nitpicky, but I think that is the entire point that they were making. Entertaining, but not informative. Fun, but not well-argued. Example: I can be extremely engaged while listening to a stand-up comedian deliver an anecdote about why they believe what they believe. It can be incredibly interesting, engaging, and well put. It is not, however, an argument which…

Let me nitpick the nitpick: we're in an attention economy and it's all to easy to have something salient dismissed with TLDR/TLDW. A more cursory glance that makes it easier to ease into a concept is more important than the subject matter expert making an ironclad argument that no one reads.

In the context of the internet forum, that was an appropriate video to post.

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

partyficial wrote: post #394
BobaFloutist wrote: post #379

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>However, if matter is all there is, then there is no meaning in the world. This is not a way to flourish in the world. Things like this really make it hard, as an atheist, to receive the argument that my problem is with Christianity, and not with religion. You're saying that my beliefs mean there's no meaning, and are incompatible with flourishing in the world. I understand you feel the need to defend your beliefs a…

> I personally don't find religion necessary to live an ethical and fulfilling life "I personally don't find science necessary to live a modern and fulfilling life" (I say, as I type using a computer on the internet) People love to remove attribution when it suits their short-sighted view. Just as you can attribute something I enjoy today to science, I can attribute something you enjoy today to religion.

And I can attribute something you enjoy today to a butterfly, flapping its wings on the shore of the Atlantic, seventeen years ago. People love to take a selective view of complex systems (for example, by picking only some nodes in the web of causality to call "attribution"), using biases like "relevance" and "significance" and "a non-omniscient positionality", and many especially love to call other views "ignorant" or "short-sighted".

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

registeredcorn wrote: post #473
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed the education related points. Different strokes. I found it extremely entertaining.

>I found it extremely entertaining. Forgive me for being nitpicky, but I think that is the entire point that they were making. Entertaining, but not informative. Fun, but not well-argued. Example: I can be extremely engaged while listening to a stand-up comedian deliver an anecdote about why they believe what they believe. It can be incredibly interesting, engaging, and well put. It is not, however, an argument which…

It was a history of anti- intellectualism in the US. I'm not sure what kind of argument they should be making.
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