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Post by dd82 »

ectospheno wrote: post #356
amiga386 wrote: post #235

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That is sad, sorry to hear it. But at the same time, sometimes you have to really persevere to get a bug fixed. Consider the perspective of the maintainer of a popular project: to them, you're one person in a big queue of people all reporting problems. Most issues turn out to be "I need free technical support, which you don't offer, so I'll phrase it in the form of a bug", and it saps their time to look into the deta…

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ahhh, the old "I expect everyone to read my mind about extremely nuanced and specific things, and those who can't are idiots" mentality at play

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by latexr »

smsm42 wrote: post #441
perching_aix wrote: post #317

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> (...) that's a you thing. You have to be tougher than that. They really don't, lol If a community is full of assholes, unwilling to change, walk away! Don't contribute to what you don't want to support. It's just like voting with your wallet. All contingent on whether you can actually afford to do so though, as usual, but I have a hard time believing that interacting on Reddit would be so essential, especially thes…

One guy says "I was lambasted on Reddit", no link, no proof, no hearing the other side, no any substantiation anything actually happened even. Immediate conclusion: "community is full of assholes, unwilling to change". This escalated quickly, didn't it?

The person you’re replying to isn’t suggesting cURL is that community. See another comment on this thread which makes that clear:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46720626

Rather they seem to be arguing “if there is a community that is like that (whatever that community is)…”.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by embedding-shape »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #468
embedding-shape wrote: post #442

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I dunno, I think at one point there was a similar merge as to what happened with "git and "github" where "open source the licensing" somehow became the same as "open source the collaborative and open software development process", and nowadays people get kind of confused when you say you're doing open source yet you don't accept pull/merge requests.

I propose the FOOSSNO license, fuck off its open source, no obligation, for communication purposes. ;-)

Maybe WTFPL can send the message across? Could maybe make a V3 and add as a second point to it: "1. And don't tell me/ask me about it, just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO"

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Post by chrisjj »

nicpottier wrote: post #362
littlecranky67 wrote: post #137

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It is cultural - the whole "not losing face" thing. In a project, I once was squad lead - I was onsite, my squad members were in Bangalore of course. Same experience as you. Once I wanted to talk about a piece of code that we need to improve and refactor, and I was acting in good faith calling the dev that commited that code. When I braught up the code on my screen to start a pair programming, he immediately denied h…

Pretty sure the right move as soon as he said "I didn't write that" was to just say. "It isn't important who wrote it, we all make mistakes, let's see together how we could have done better."

Pretty sure that can be the wrong move in an instance where it does matter who wrote that. Freely allowing derogation of authorship soon fosters derogation of responsibility.

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Post by snowmobile »

mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

> This is software support, it is a job, it should be paid.

What's stopping any open source maintainer from charging for their work?

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Post by Aloha »

freakynit wrote: post #126
causalscience wrote: post #44

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> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

Thank you for this cultural explanation - I've experienced the same thing with Japanese co-workers - there is often a "no" but to American ears its so subtle that it often goes in one ear and out the other.

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Post by ponector »

freakynit wrote: post #126
causalscience wrote: post #44

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> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

In my experience working with developers from India, there are two ways:

1. You have no authority and they ignore you. 2. You have authority and they become yes-men.

Real dialogue: - Is it done? - Yes! But not yet.

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Post by samus »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #475
otikik wrote: post #471

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I think "we will ban and publicly shame you if you waste our time" is a very clear and adult boundary.

It could be a childish overreaction. See this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46718635 As always it depends on the circumstances, but should default to quietly closing with WONTFIX. Others have said Daniel is typically helpful and respectful so there we go.

This is not the first time the curl project complains about bogus and excessive bug reports.

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Post by quibono »

sammy2255 wrote: post #294

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You see the same thing with hundreds of CVEs assigned to random crap like PHPGurukul or Codeprojects. I.e. repositories of "tutorial" projects. Just like submitting a CVE for a vulnerability in OWASP's JuiceShop.

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Post by nmz »

mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

I've often dreamed of a system where normal users, give money as a promotion for a certain issue to be fixed or even created, if the user wants feature X then he should be able to give an incentive towards that feature to be added into the software that they use, developers do bounties instead, the user doesn't have to give much only a dollar, but if many users want feature X, then the money/donations pool creating higher incentives until the task itself matches the level of work to be performed to achieve it until merged.

The project managers also get a cut of all merges, testers also must approve of the merge and that feature X is the one they want. So the project manager gets to work and improve/reject features, the user gets control over the features of the project they want and developers get to pick specific features they would like to work on (sort of). everybody gets what they want (sort of). All via attaching $ to the issues of the software, not the people.

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