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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by NetMageSCW »

dboreham wrote: post #390
bluGill wrote: post #318

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Charge time matters. I can fill a gas tank in the time my partner uses the bathroom. Evs need a lot longer.

Present day EVs don't take that long to charge (basically the time to go to the bathroom and check email), but they don't have enough parallelism so at a busy location you can end up waiting for an open charger. There are orders of magnitude more gas pumps than public chargers.

That’s an unfair comparison because you can’t count gas pumps used to charge in your locality - those are replaced by charging at bome.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by Marsymars »

grogenaut wrote: post #442
rootusrootus wrote: post #239

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It's mostly a wash, the efficiency on the descent balances the climb, and overall you get respectably close to the same range you'd have gotten on a flat route.

I rented a mach-e recently. Went up to Snoqualamie pass from seattle. I used over 60 miles range in 10 miles on the steep part at the end, 1/6th. Going the other way I got a maybe 20% boost in distance over flat. There were a few places I was able to regen-brake, but I never had the battery go up, only stay flat. And a few times I lost enough speed that I didn't handle an interim flat well. I was extremely disappoint…

FWIW the mach e engages the regen brakes automatically when going downhill to prevent acceleration.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by qball »

vel0city wrote: post #358
bluGill wrote: post #317

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My f350 has 600 miles of range empty so it can go 300 towing.

This is exactly the situation. ICE also has a massive range hit as well, it's just easy to put a massive fuel tank in to get a stupid amount of range not towing compared to a battery electric that struggles to get a similar range. When you start with almost 600mi losing half isn't too bad, when it's maybe 300mi on a good day and you cut it in half is just not as usable for that usage. That said, if it's not the towin…

Additionally, all ICE cars can charge from 0-100% in under 5 minutes. Even if their towing range was somehow less than an EV, it would matter less because you don't have to spend an hour at a charging station.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by NetMageSCW »

vel0city wrote: post #446
SoftTalker wrote: post #437

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Those were some examples, not an exhaustive list. What about hauling a load of mulch or topsoil, you're not doing that in your nice minivan. Or a bed-load of tree limbs and cut brush? I do that a few times a year. Hauling furniture, firewood, lawn mowers, trash. An open truck bed is the most flexible configuration in my experience. Of course it's not perfect for everything. A utility trailer could do a lot of that to…

> What about hauling a load of mulch or topsoil, you're not doing that in your nice minivan I've mostly just had that delivered when doing a big job, but I have just laid a tarp before. It's not that big of a deal really. And I don't even bother with a tarp for the smaller jobs, it's already bagged. Just don't grab bags with holes in it, and use the vacuum later. It's fine. > Or a bed-load of tree limbs and cut brush…

Perhaps a truck isn’t the ideal vehicle for someone who lives in a city and has easy access to rental vehicles, but a lot of people don’t live in those conditions.

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Post by Marsymars »

sroerick wrote: post #167
nospice wrote: post #98

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> The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive So are RAM trucks and I don't think they're hurting for customers. I think there are two fundamental issues. One is that pickups are a weirdly-politicized lifestyle choice in the US - i.e., if you're progressive, you're supposed to hate them and see them as the symbol of the gun-totting macho redneck culture, and if you're conservative, yo…

I live in Truck Country, Wyoming If you need a truck for work, you're probably going to be towing in it. Now, some of those guys who are hauling are gonna need a 250 or a 350, but a lot of them will do just fine with the 150. Even if your job isn't hauling, per se, if you work on job sites you wanna be able to haul stuff. Imagine if you showed up to your new Tech Lead job with an 8 year old Chromebook. You'd look a l…

> Even if your job isn't hauling, per se, if you work on job sites you wanna be able to haul stuff. Imagine if you showed up to your new Tech Lead job with an 8 year old Chromebook. You'd look a little bit silly.

Hey now, my 8 year-old Pixelbook still has 2 more years before it's out of support.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by stackghost »

tfourb wrote: post #477
mattmaroon wrote: post #438

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Yeah but you buy a truck and all of a sudden you have a lot of friends. I might not move furniture regularly, but it’s reeeeal nice to be able to do so when I need to. My dishwasher broke on Christmas Eve when I was hosting so I went to the store and got another and installed it within an hour. Not doing that with my Subaru.

I’ve literally transported dishwashers in a Renault Twingo. And the „small car + trailer“ combo will always carry more than a pickup. Pickups are pure lifestyle.

Something tells me that dishwashers are smaller in areas where the Twingo is sold.

There's no way my piece of shit Samsung dishwasher would fit in your car. It's huge.

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Post by vel0city »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #484
vel0city wrote: post #446

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> What about hauling a load of mulch or topsoil, you're not doing that in your nice minivan I've mostly just had that delivered when doing a big job, but I have just laid a tarp before. It's not that big of a deal really. And I don't even bother with a tarp for the smaller jobs, it's already bagged. Just don't grab bags with holes in it, and use the vacuum later. It's fine. > Or a bed-load of tree limbs and cut brush…

Perhaps a truck isn’t the ideal vehicle for someone who lives in a city and has easy access to rental vehicles, but a lot of people don’t live in those conditions.

Most Americans do. The vast majority of Americans live like me in terms of housing and transit. And yet pickups are still the most popular vehicles. In the parking garages of the urban apartments around me, they're filled with pickups. In the offices filled with accountants and salespeople the lots and garages are filled with pickups.

Don't get me wrong, some people definitely have a legit need for a truck. I've eyed them as I've been contemplating the pros/cons of a camper trailer vs. an RV. Some people own businesses that actually need it. But most people don't have a camper trailer or horses or work a small construction company out of their home and yet trucks are most vehicles bought these days.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

ssl-3 wrote: post #468
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #426

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When I was a kid, my dad owned a pickup truck in Mississippi, and there seem to be tons of ways of avoiding getting the groceries wet, a bed-width toolbox behind the cab was the simplest way (and this was way before extended cabs were a thing). If you are living in such an area where they can't even figure that kind of thing out, it sounds like there might be something in the water.

When I was a kid, a normal-sized American adult could open up a bed-width toolbox, look down inside of it, and easily remove a few bags of groceries before re-closing the lid -- all while standing flat-footed on the ground beside their normal-sized American truck. Things are not that way anymore; trucks got bigger. The top of the bed rail of an F150 Lightning is around chin height for a lot of folks: https://imgur.co…

I don’t think a F150 lightning is wider than a 1985 Silverado.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ssl-3 »

eitally wrote: post #410
bayesnet wrote: post #277

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My hunch is that the people who buy an F-150 for groceries are not the people interested in buying EVs. The advantage of an EV truck is solely on cost and maintenance, so the natural market is businesses looking for practical vehicles, not people who buy impractical vehicles that are costly to operate for status reasons. Then again as I’m typing this I realize that I have a phone with a better processor than most com…

I drive a 2017 F150 with the back commonly filled with either sports equipment or outdoors gear, or photography equipment. I would like to additionally have a city car but am not willing to spend the money (or consume another parking space in front of my house). Since I only have one vehicle, I do also use it for grocery shopping.

I drive a Honda van, usually with the seats out/folded down.

It's really big back there. It holds an enormous volume of stuff.

4x8 sheets of plywood fit inside with the doors closed, and so do 10-foot lengths of pipe.

It's easy to access stuff at the front or the back. It's all contained under a roof in a locking, conditioned space (3 zones of HVAC) and is easy to get to from either sliding door or the back tailgate.

Works great for hauling stuff like sports equipment, outdoors gear, or photography equipment. Mine is full of tools, ladders, and boxes of wire right now, but it's been awesome for taking a mountain of camping gear and a PA system across the country. (Or, you know: Groceries. It does groceries very well indeed.)

(It's not so great at hauling stuff like bulk stone or mulch, but that stuff is usually pretty cheap to get delivered.)

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