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Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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It's quite possible that GI and thus AGI does not actually exist. Though now the paper the other day by all those heavy hitters in the industry makes more sense in this context.

>It's quite possible that GI and thus AGI does not actually exist. Aren't we humans supposed to have GI? Maybe you're conflating AGI and ASI.

> Aren't we humans supposed to have GI

Show me where GI is and how to measure it in a way that isn't just "it's however humans think"

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel. What were they really expecting as an alternative? Anyone can "declare AGI" especially since it's an inherently ill-defined (and agruably undefinable) concept, it's strange that this is the first bullet point like this was the fruit of intensive deliberation. I don't fully understand what is going on in this market…

In context AGI is already clearly defined as $100billion USD revenue. So I guess the expert panel should at least have a finacial auditor.

> In context AGI is already clearly defined as $100billion USD revenue

* with 0 human intervention.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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When I was doing it in 2005 it definitely included that, and other far more basic things.

A subset of the field working on some particular applications is pretty different from redefining the term for marketing purposes.

True, but marketing has taken the lead to the great detriment of every other concern, no matter how important.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Lots of reasons to believe it's a bubble. No hard proof it's a bubble. Bubbles can only be proved to have existed after they pop.

I can prove soap-bubbles to exist by seeing them, long before they pop. Alternately one can blow them away, again without letting them pop.

Different kind of bubble. Context clues are your friend here :-)

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Oh dear lord, GCP could be the intuitive one?! I have not used anything else but, dear lord, that's shocking and not at all surprising at the same time.

Any speculation on why none of them can make a UI and UX that is not 100% completely shit and makes you feel miserable and stressed out? Couldn’t they just throw money at the problem? Or fire the criminals who designed it?

All the cloud platforms do not care about UI/UX at all. Although GCP gets honorable mention for being pretty consistent and I have to admit not too bad. But anyway none of them care because it’s expected that 90% of the usage of the platform will be via a CLI or some abstraction (k8s, terraform, etc etc). So, they put minimum effort into UI quality, usefulness, consistency, appearance. That’s my understanding anyway

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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I'd pay attention to this bullet point: > "OpenAI can now provide API access to US government national security customers, regardless of the cloud provider." And this one might be related: > "OpenAI can now jointly develop some products with third parties. API products developed with third parties will be exclusive to Azure. Non-API products may be served on any cloud provider." Now, does anyone think MIC customers w…

Or, provide intentionally mal-aligned models that treat its own military as enemy.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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I think it's a bit late for that. Also, you have to consider the size of Microsoft relative to its ownership of OpenAI, future dilution, and how Microsoft itself will fare in the future. If, say, Microsoft is on a path towards decreasing relevance/marketshare/profitability, any gains from its stake in OpenAI may be offset by its diminishing fortunes.

You're making the roundabout argument that MSFT/OpenAI will one day go the way of Yahoo/Alibaba, which is wild.

I didn't make a prediction. I was pointing out factors to be aware of. Hence the use of "If, say" to denote a hypothetical.

Some people's convictions and lack of reading comprehension skills are certainly wild.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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The vast majority of humans can be taught to drive.

> The vast majority of humans can be taught to drive the key is being able to drive and learn another language and learn to play an instrument and do math and, finally, group pictures of their different pets together. AGI would be able to do all those things as well... even teach itself to do those things given access to the Internet. Until that happens then no AGI.

Yes, that was my point.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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This is exactly why they will have an “expert panel” to make that determination. They wouldn’t make something up

What exactly is the criteria for "expert" they're planning to use, and whomst among us can actually meet a realistic bar for expertise on the nature of consciousness?

qualify: if you’ve hosted a podcast about simulation theory or own more than one turtleneck

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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post #61

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I'm not savvy on investment terms, but most of these bullet points seem like a loss for Microsoft. Having a customer locked in to buying $250bn of Azure services is a fairly big benefit.

Or a massive opportunity cost. I’d imagine 250Bn of OAI business is way lower margin than 250Bn of some other random companies that don’t need H200s.

Why does this cost them business with the other random companies?
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