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I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by Theodores »

didacusc wrote: post #22
cardanome wrote: post #8

As a Linux user I feel you. The Mac Desktop is vastly inferior to the Linux world (for power users) but the hardware is so, so good. For me it is about having a completely silent setup. It is so, so hard to go back to noisy fans. I really hope Asahi Linux keep going so I can have the best of both worlds.

Saying that the macOS desktop is vastly inferior to Linux desktops is absolutely nuts. I've tried to get my relatives on Linux desktops so many times, just for it to go completely wrong a couple of weeks after and having to reinstall Windows. It's just not made for average (or below-average) users, so I don't see how it can be VASTLY inferior to something as easy and polished as macOS.

Clearly this is a matter of opinion and opinion requires belief and belief means facts don't matter.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by eigenspace »

nottorp wrote: post #417
eigenspace wrote: post #178

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Instead of a hot-swappable battery, why not just carry a large battery-bank that can charge your laptop over USB-C? That way you don't even need to reboot. Browsing around on Amazon, I see there's actually quite a few battery banks that with over 60W of output, and ~100Wh of capacity for under 100€

> why not just carry a large battery-bank And a mouse, because non apple laptops are hard to use with just the trackpad. And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop. ... sadly, it means I'll have to stick to Apple hardware for longer. As much as I think Cook is an idiot who's trying to dumb their products down to the point they're not even usable for power users, let alone developers.

> And a mouse, because non apple laptops are hard to use with just the trackpad.

Have you ever used a Framework's trackpad? It's very good.

> And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop.

First of all, Framework laptops are not gaming laptops. Second of all, Framework ships smaller power adapters than Apple because they invested in Gallium Nitride chargers which are significantly more compact than other options.

Personally, I wouldn't even carry around a power bank, I just mentioned it because the person I was talking to said they wanted to carry around a hot-swappable battery, and I thought a power bank was a better option.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by koolala »

charcircuit wrote: post #413
ang_cire wrote: post #407

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I'm pretty sure your income is closer to Framework's revenue, than Frameworks's revenue is to Apple's.

Android's revenue is closer to my income than Apple's. I guess Google should just give up competing with the iPhone and give up on Android.

You'd probably want to compare Google's revenue for that. They wouldn't give up on Chrome.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by imglorp »

maverwa wrote: post #460
beeflet wrote: post #160

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I have secure boot, hibernation, and full disk encryption working fine on linux, but I have never heard of kernel lockdown. The solution I found involves making a custom initramfs to support hibernation and compiling the kernel into a signed EFI stub.

To add some context: man kernel_lockdown[1] reads "Unencrypted hibernation/suspend to swap are disallowed as the kernel image is saved to a medium that can then be accessed.". And to my understanding there is currently no way to tell a (mainline) kernel that allows "encrypted hibernate", i.e. no way to tell the kernel that its hibernation disk is "secure". So its not a direct "linux prevents hibernate on secure boot"…

It seems there should be a distro that eases this route with some configuration options. Is there none?

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by eigenspace »

nottorp wrote: post #447
flexagoon wrote: post #437

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> And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop. Not if you get a properly standard-compliant laptop that uses USB PD for charging (like Framework)

I've actually bought a gaming laptop for someone this year. Asus. It comes with a brick proprietary charger that delivers the full power it can use and also with an USB PD that can't fully power it. Guess it works if not gaming, or gaming at reduced fps.

You know this isn't a thread about Asus, right?

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by rikkert »

jes5199 wrote: post #316
jeffbee wrote: post #29

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> If you can’t hibernate (aka suspend to disk) you will never be able to get that power consumption low. This is cope. An Apple Silicon Macbook does not need to suspend to block devices to save energy (they only do this when the battery is empty). ChromeOS doesn't offer hibernate at all. The only reason that a Framework can't have good battery life in an operating state is that nobody is paying attention to the detai…

and yet my M1 manages to drain the battery in suspend mode in just a few hours

Let me guess, you use docker?

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by hatsuseno »

whyoh wrote: post #449
Throwaway123129 wrote: post #366

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This is not a Linux issue (Though the hibernate issues are!). It's a PC issue. Microsoft went on a crusade making hardware vendors implement S0 next to S3 but most hardware vendors now _only_ implement S0. So that the laptop can keep phoning home and download updates etc whilst closed. Which means it's impossible to turn off the CPU during suspend. it's always on. PC as a laptop platform is a complete joke.

>So that the laptop can keep phoning home and download updates etc whilst closed. On Windows, network connectivity in S0 standby is optional: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/146593-enable-disable-ne... >Which means it's impossible to turn off the CPU during suspend. it's always on. Hibernation is still an option, if you don't mind a slower resume.

With 32 GiB of memory it's just too slow. A laptop, to me, is supposed to be a device much like a phone in that I can just flip it open and do what I need to do, suspend is supposed to be that, but if I don't charge my Dell precision every single day it'll just run down to 0 for absolutely no reason.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by j1mc »

pachico wrote: post #326

I am forced to use a MacBook M4 at work but I have and love my Framework 13 Intel. Battery management is superior in MacOS but I can leave my Framework suspended for more than at least a week (I never measured how long it can stay like this). I run vanilla Ubuntu with TLP, though, which might be the trick.

TLP is definitely the trick. TLP makes a huge difference in improving battery life while on suspend in Linux - especially since laptop makers stopped supporting S3 sleep.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by presbyterian »

aeroevan wrote: post #238
presbyterian wrote: post #41

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There are a dozen or more options for tiling systems and keyboard-driven computing on macOS. Personally, one of the reasons I use macOS over Linux is because I find it easier to create custom keyboard commands and shortcuts. It’s all doable on Linux, sure, but on macOS there are several apps that make it easy .

If you haven't used something like i3/sway/awesomewm/hyprland on the linux side you won't know what you're missing. While there are several apps to create custom keyboard commands, only yabai+skhd come close to what's available on linux, and it's not even that close tbh.

I’ve used i3 and awesomewm and bspwm etc etc. I’d be happy to never use them again!
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