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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by dylan604 »

ironhaven wrote: post #457
bena wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is weird because this was a solved problem. Every major network can broadcast the Super Bowl without issue. And while Netflix claims it streamed to 280 million, that’s if every single subscriber viewed it. Actual numbers put it in the 120 million range. Which is in line with the Super Bowl. Maybe Netflix needs to ask CBS or ABC how to broadcast

Do you live stream the superbowl? Me and everyone I know watch it over antenna broadcast tv. I think it is easier to have millions of tvs catch airwaves vs millions of point to point https video streams.

If you watch it over cable, you're live streaming it. Let's face it, that's where the vast majority of viewers see it. Few people view OTA even if the quality is better.

Live sports do not broadcast the event directly to a streamer. They push it to their broadcast centers. It then gets distributed from there to whatever avenues it needs to go. Trying to push a live IP stream directly from the remote live venue rarely works as expected. That's precisely why the broadcasters/networks do not do it that way

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by HDThoreaun »

scruple wrote: post #270
suzzer99 wrote: post #2

On a few forum sites I'm on, people are just giving up. Looking forward to the post-mortem on how they weren't ready for this (with just a tiny bit of schadenfreude because they've interviewed and rejected me twice).

AB84 streamed it live from a box at the arena to ~5M viewers on Twitter. I was watching it on Netflix, I didn't have any problems, but I also put his live stream up for the hell of it. He didn't have any issues that I saw.

were calling antonio brown ab84 now? What happened to Mr. BC?

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by dylan604 »

colesantiago wrote: post #460
dylan604 wrote: post #426

People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure, Netflix might have a great CDN that works great for their canned content and I could see how they might have assumed that's the hardest part. Live has changed over the years from large satellite dishes beaming to a geosat and back down to the broadcast center($$$$$), to microwave to a more local broadcast center($$$$), to running ded…

This is the whole point of chaos engineering that was invented at Netflix, which tests the resiliency of these systems. I guess we now know the limits of what "at scale" is for Netflix's live-streaming solution. They shouldn't be failing at scale on a huge stage like this. I look forward to reading the post mortem about this.

Everyone keeps mentioning at scale. I seriously doubt this was an "at scale" problem. I have strong suspicion this was a failure at the origination point being able to push a stable signal. That is not an "at scale" issue, but a hubris of we can do better/cheaper than broadcasting standard practices

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by dylan604 »

diggan wrote: post #444
dylan604 wrote: post #426

People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure, Netflix might have a great CDN that works great for their canned content and I could see how they might have assumed that's the hardest part. Live has changed over the years from large satellite dishes beaming to a geosat and back down to the broadcast center($$$$$), to microwave to a more local broadcast center($$$$), to running ded…

> People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure thing, but also, how much resources do you think Netflix threw on this event? If organizations like FOSSDEM and CCC can do live events (although with way smaller viewership) across the globe without major hiccups on (relatively) tiny budgets and smaller infrastructure overall, how could Netflix not?

> how much resources do you think Netflix threw on this event?

Based on the results, I hope it was a small team working 20% time on the idea. If you tell me they threw everything they had at it to this result, then that's even more embarrassing for them.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by tky »

colesantiago wrote: post #462
immibis wrote: post #436

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You've never worked in a startup have you? Or any business for that matter. You have to promise something first, then build it.

No joke, is this actually true? Do startups really do this? I thought the capability is built or nearly built or at least in testing already with reasonable or amazing results, THEN they go to market? Do startups go to other startups, fortune 500 companies and public companies to make false promises with or without due diligence and sign deals with the knowledge that the team and engineers know the product doesn't ha…

“Aspirational sugar” is as common in startup culture as in Fortune 500 sales contracts, they’re just messaged and “de-risked” differently.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by throw0101b »

Loughla wrote: post #430
_fat_santa wrote: post #427

When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation): - Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way t…

>First off the deal that they struck was probably one they couldn't ignore If you can't provide the service you shouldn't sell it?

>> First off the deal that they struck was probably one they couldn't ignore

> If you can't provide the service you shouldn't sell it?

Then how will the folks in Sales get their commission?

Besides, not providing the service hasn't stopped Tesla from selling FSD, and their stock has been going gangbusters.

/s

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by throw0101b »

diggan wrote: post #444
dylan604 wrote: post #426

People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure, Netflix might have a great CDN that works great for their canned content and I could see how they might have assumed that's the hardest part. Live has changed over the years from large satellite dishes beaming to a geosat and back down to the broadcast center($$$$$), to microwave to a more local broadcast center($$$$), to running ded…

> People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure thing, but also, how much resources do you think Netflix threw on this event? If organizations like FOSSDEM and CCC can do live events (although with way smaller viewership) across the globe without major hiccups on (relatively) tiny budgets and smaller infrastructure overall, how could Netflix not?

> If organizations like FOSSDEM and CCC can do live events (although with way smaller viewership) […]

Or, for that matter, Youtube (Live) and Twitch.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by throw0101b »

dylan604 wrote: post #481
ironhaven wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you live stream the superbowl? Me and everyone I know watch it over antenna broadcast tv. I think it is easier to have millions of tvs catch airwaves vs millions of point to point https video streams.

If you watch it over cable, you're live streaming it. Let's face it, that's where the vast majority of viewers see it. Few people view OTA even if the quality is better. Live sports do not broadcast the event directly to a streamer. They push it to their broadcast centers. It then gets distributed from there to whatever avenues it needs to go. Trying to push a live IP stream directly from the remote live venue rarely…

> If you watch it over cable, you're live streaming it.

Which is probably done over the cableco's private network (not the public Internet) with a special VLAN used for television (as opposed to general web access). They're probably using multicast.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by tylerchilds »

anshumankmr wrote: post #471
tylerchilds wrote: post #470

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this is false, the tom brady roast was live streamed yes, love is blind failed, but was definitely not the most recent attempt. they did some other golf thing too, iirc

tom brady is largely a guy popular in the USA whereas Mike Tyson is globally famous. It follows that this fight would attract a larger audience.

the point i’m making is that the netflix live streaming timeline didn’t go

chris rock -> love is blind -> mike tyson

they have had other, successful executions in between. the comment i was replying to had cherry picked failures and i’m trying to git rebase them onto main.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by that_guy_iain »

YZF wrote: post #348
that_guy_iain wrote: post #109

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Having worked with a bunch of guys who have gone on to "top teams", I no longer believe they have top teams. My fav was the guy who said the system could scale indefinitely after it literally fell on its ass from too much traffic. He couldn't understand that just because Lambdas my themselves can scale, they are limited by the resources they use, so just ignored it and insisted that it could. The same guy also kept o…

I've worked for many companies that said they hired the best. And to be honest when I hire I also try to hire good people. I think I could hire better if a) I had an open cheque, b) I was running coolest project in the universe. I did hire for some interesting projects but nothing close to an open cheque. Even under these conditions it's tough to find great people. You can go after people with a proven track record b…

To be fair, when you need to hire hundreds or thousands of people, you gotta hire average people. The best is a finite resource and not all of the best want to work for FAANG or any megacorp.

I used to want to work at a FAANG-like company when I was just starting out thinking they were going to be full of amazing devs. But over the years, I've seen some of the worst devs go to these companies so that just destroyed that illusion. And the more you hear about the sort of work they do, it just sounds boring compared to startups.

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