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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by immibis »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #428
l33t7332273 wrote: post #422

I thought Netflix’s biggest advantage was the quality/salary of its engineers. I think that every time I wait for Paramount+ to restart after its gone black in picture on picture, and yet, I’n still on Paramount+ and not Netflix, so maybe that advantage isn’t real.

Sigh, none of the competitors are much better. Disney, who has more than enough cash to throw at streaming, is a near constant hassle for us ( after 3 or more episodes it throws an inscrutable error on Playstation ). I would drop it, but this is the only remaining streaming service and wife is not willing to drop it ( I guess until 1 it is one error per one episode ).

I keep hearing that a lot of people are switching to the illegal competitor for better service.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by sgarland »

mmiyer wrote: post #433
booleandilemma wrote: post #420

Was this their first time doing live content? I figured something would go wrong. I'm sure lots of people were watching.

Not their first time, but the first time at this scale.

OK, but the last time they tried a livestream (a reality show reunion), it also fell over. I suppose to their credit, my stream never outright died yesterday, it just went to potato quality.

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Post by mbesto »

Loughla wrote: post #430
_fat_santa wrote: post #427

When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation): - Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way t…

>First off the deal that they struck was probably one they couldn't ignore If you can't provide the service you shouldn't sell it?

There are endless amounts of stories and situations in which selling something before it really exists has helped businesses. It's totally plausible that a team working on video streaming at the scale of Netflix could figure out live streaming.

Pre-optimization is definitely a thing and it can massively hurt (i.e. startups go under) businesses. Let's stop pretending any businesses would say 'no' to extra revenue even before the engineering team had full assurance there was no latency drop.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by diggan »

dylan604 wrote: post #426

People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure, Netflix might have a great CDN that works great for their canned content and I could see how they might have assumed that's the hardest part. Live has changed over the years from large satellite dishes beaming to a geosat and back down to the broadcast center($$$$$), to microwave to a more local broadcast center($$$$), to running ded…

> People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live.

Sure thing, but also, how much resources do you think Netflix threw on this event? If organizations like FOSSDEM and CCC can do live events (although with way smaller viewership) across the globe without major hiccups on (relatively) tiny budgets and smaller infrastructure overall, how could Netflix not?

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by 0x0000000 »

spike021 wrote: post #156
bsimpson wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't spend much time streaming, but I got a glimpse of the Amazon Prime catalog yesterday, and was surprised at how many titles on the front page were movies I'd actually watch. Reminded me of Netflix a dozen years ago.

Amazon Prime isn't so great. Lots of for rent/purchase content or content with ads these days. And they end up repeating slots of content in all the rows in their UI, so I end up seeing the same suggestions everywhere rather than much that's new (other than first party productions). To me they're basically padding their front page. But honestly that's most of the major streaming platforms these days. I recently cance…

> And they end up repeating slots of content in all the rows in their UI, so I end up seeing the same suggestions everywhere rather than much that's new

All of the streaming services do this and I hate it. Netflix is the worst of the bunch, in my experience. I already scrolled past a movie, I don't want to watch it, don't show it to me six more times.

Imagine walking through a Blockbuster where every aisle was the same movies over and over again.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by bena »

dylan604 wrote: post #426

People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure, Netflix might have a great CDN that works great for their canned content and I could see how they might have assumed that's the hardest part. Live has changed over the years from large satellite dishes beaming to a geosat and back down to the broadcast center($$$$$), to microwave to a more local broadcast center($$$$), to running ded…

It is weird because this was a solved problem.

Every major network can broadcast the Super Bowl without issue.

And while Netflix claims it streamed to 280 million, that’s if every single subscriber viewed it.

Actual numbers put it in the 120 million range. Which is in line with the Super Bowl.

Maybe Netflix needs to ask CBS or ABC how to broadcast

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by cryptozeus »

Everyone here talking like this something unique netflix had to deal with. Hotstar live streamed india va Pakistan cricket match with zero issues with all time high live viewership ever in the history of live telecast. Why would viewers paying $20 month want to think about their technical issues, they dropped the ball pure and simple. Tech already exists for this, it’s been done before even by espn, nothing new here.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by grapesodaaaaa »

l33t7332273 wrote: post #422

I thought Netflix’s biggest advantage was the quality/salary of its engineers. I think that every time I wait for Paramount+ to restart after its gone black in picture on picture, and yet, I’n still on Paramount+ and not Netflix, so maybe that advantage isn’t real.

I think this was true at some point, but I’ve been disappointed in the quality of the OSS Netflix tools recently. I think before k8s and a plethora of other tools matured, they were way ahead of the curve.

I specifically found the Netflix suite for Spring very lacking, and found message oriented architectures on something like NATS a lot easier to work with.

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Post by colesantiago »

If you're going to be having intense algorithm interviews, paying top dollar for only hiring senior engineers, building high intensity and extreme distributed systems and having SRE engineers, we best see insanely good results and a high ROI out of it.

All of the conditions was perfect for Netflix, and it seems that the platform entirely flopped.

Is this what chaos engineering is all about that Netflix was marketing heavily to engineers? Was the livestream supposed to go down as Netflix removed servers randomly?

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Post by 0x0000000 »

boramalper wrote: post #288
rk06 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Illegal options would have lot less active users. So it is not a fair comparison

Illegal options also have lot less resources (revenue, service providers who are willing host/facilitate illegal activities, and so on) so it’s a fair comparison in my opinion.

> service providers who are willing host/facilitate illegal activities

At least for NFL pirate streams, it seems they tend to use "burner" tenants from Azure and AWS. Of course they get shut down, but how hard is it to spin up another one?

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