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Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by felsokning »

quitit wrote: post #70

As a tip: use your AppleID to generate a secondary email that you use for your day to day email, while keeping the login email secret. The problem stems from nefarious groups getting a hold of email addresses and running distributed dictionary attacks. Apple’s response is to prevent all logins (including valid ones) from accounts that are under attack. Unlocking the account involves calling Apple, they’re not going t…

> The problem stems from nefarious groups getting a hold of email addresses and running distributed dictionary attacks.

I use [REDACTED] as a provider and I create an email address/account (if possible) per company/domain I interact with (e.g.: personal_github@domain.tld or amazon_personal@domain.tld). This produces two results:

1. No shared credentials across any space.

2. Any junk emails to these addresses immediately tells me who's sold it (or been hacked) and I delete the account[s] and relevant email aliases and get on with my day.

Some services, like Firefox, are starting to offer a form of "hide my email address" but this doesn't solve the problem of using as the same login id across a lot of services. If that was dumped somewhere, it is probably a strong bet someone has used that as their login, elsewhere.

I don't know if there's another viable solution - but this reduction of possible login ids to one unique id per site is the only way I know how to (possibly) prevent myself from being an easy dictionary attack target.

Edit: formatting

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by YZF »

goosedragons wrote: post #453
YZF wrote: post #425

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I'm writing this on a 2013 MBP. This specific machine is slightly bent and endured being hit by a car. Those other laptops that you mentioned, that aren't made out of aluminum would be dead. I've also had a few Lenovo T410s (circa 2010). I would say the quality and spec of those T410s isn't up to par with MBPs of similar era. Their CPU fans fall apart. They tend to overheat. The hinge breaks- plastic. The display and…

No. Those other laptops WOULDN'T be dead. They WOULDN'T be dented either. ThinkPads from that era had a maganisum alloy frame. They are hella rigid but the plastic shell gives enough bouce so they don't dent when dropped. And macOS software support is awful. It's completely random and up to the whims of Apple with some models getting only 6 or 7 years support if you bought at launch.

I'm not talking about a dent. I'm talking about the entire (closed) MBP bent by a car driving into it. There is no way a ThinkPad plastics wouldn't have broken (and its frame bent). But I guess we can't perform this experiment. Plastic is just not as good a material - sorry. Not just is it not as strong when new it also doesn't have the same longevity.

See here for some random MBP drop tests: https://youtu.be/8kLtQBF52m8?si=a42uejjR4rUWWg-F

The ThinkPads are pretty good vs. most laptops in terms of design and durability (going back to IBM). I still think the MacBooks are an overall better design. I owned 3 T410s for many years and repaired them and kept them going so I'm very familiar with their design (And all the things that broke or failed over those years). The laptop I'm using right now is a 2013 MBP (which has been my daily driver for a long time with zero issues) and I have a new 13" M3 MBP work laptop (a great laptop) and another 2012 MacBook right here with me.

I agree 6 year OS software support isn't good but the 2013 machine still got updates up to the end of last year (though can't run the very latest OS). That said, as long as applications run on the older OS it's not necessarily such a huge problem unless some critical security issues pops up.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by 1oooqooq »

chuckadams wrote: post #312
LocalH wrote: post #271

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>4. If you make any reference to the TOS/Laws/etc they will mark your account as troubled and you will never get service again. You get legal canned responses only. They seem you not a valuable customer anymore. Don’t reference warranty law, definitely don’t threaten to sue, etc. This is problematic. They'll be happy to parrot out whatever TOS section you violated if you get banned under TOS, but completely stonewall…

The main problem is all the kooks who will dispute an overdue payment by citing the Constitution, the Flag Code, and the Magna Carta. You can’t have support staff engaging with these people.

if you you don't pay or instruct staff enough to understand the difference, something's really bad at a company with that excuse.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by 1oooqooq »

eastbound wrote: post #141
1oooqooq wrote: post #126

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exactly. they already hit the revenue goals even with shitty quality. it's the only goal that motivates work and in a monopoly it's tied to market size only. what's a few thousand people per month losing all access to their data, if that is not even a blip on their revenue or revenue protections? if you're going to buy a new iphone, you're going to buy a new iphone. it doesn't matter the slightest if you read some ne…

People pay in average $1000 every 3 years ($27 per month). So if 1% people choose Android next time, Apple will lose 1% of 2 billion users x $1000 / 3 years = 7 billion dollars per year.

already way more than 1% do switch.

but if you're close to a monopoly, numbers go up with market size increase. you can lose ((market size Delta) - 1) until your bonus motivated employees have to care.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by pmarreck »

talldayo wrote: post #439
pmarreck wrote: post #427

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Linux fan but hard pass on this. Apple's ecosystem integration across their devices (I have Apple Watch, an M1, an iPhone 15 Pro Max, a couple Apple TV's etc.) is unparalleled. And the iPhone camera is excellent for documenting my rapidly-growing, almost 3 year old kid. Also, Livephotos kick ass. Every single Android phone I've used is annoying AF and I hate having to fix issues with them when I'm at my in-laws' hous…

Sounds like the same shtick I heard from Windows 8 apologists in the past. "Yes, yes, Microsoft is a ghoulish company; but look at how my laptop connects to my Xbox!" Apple's whole premium marketing shtick feels gone. Not only has the halo-effect worn off now that everyone owns an iPhone, but they're portioning up their own operating system to endless service integration and nonsense software offerings. Who the hell…

I can’t hear you over the 140 photos of my son I am airdropping to my sister at full resolution and way faster than they would be made available to her in any other fashion

But again, I am a Linux fan (NixOS actually), despite it sucking ass in the user department

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by lazyasciiart »

layer8 wrote: post #479
stouset wrote: post #476

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A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck. I’d wager even more people on average would lose their domains with this approach either by forgetting to or being unable to put the necessary funds in their account, and having the payment declined. Losing your entire online identity because you didn’t pay on time is an absolute show stopper for an enormous number of people. Most people are not tech people. They do not know…

You’re in the US, presumably? Is it really that common there for people to overdraw their account to the extent that direct debit in the $10 range would fail? That would be a very rare occurrence here. And you wouldn’t immediately lose your domain just because the payment failed once. It would be a much longer process. People also have a mobile phone number with a plan they have to pay for. I don’t see why a domain s…

5% of American households have no bank account at all - either because fees are too high or because they have cashed bad checks or failed to pay bank fees in the past and are now refused an account.

Another 25% had their bank balance go below zero in the past year. And that number is worse than it sounds, because it doesn't include people who have selected to have transactions fail instead of put their balance below zero. https://www.consumerfinance.gov/data-research/research-repor...

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by lazyasciiart »

kelnos wrote: post #442
generalizations wrote: post #435

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> You're seriously doubling down on your ignorance instead of just admitting that you were wrong? From the guidelines: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." > Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the…

Perhaps something to add to the guidelines: "don't try to weaponize the guidelines when someone calls you out for misrepresenting the facts".

And "before using the word 'you', go back and check the usernames of each comment you are reacting to"

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by nsagent »

dsego wrote: post #42

The thing that scared me recently was two updates that gave me new encryption keys. At first I trusted apple and wrote down the new key. But I became suspicious after the second update and checked online. It seems like it's happening to others, so I used the recommended command-line tool to verify my new encryption key and it didn't verify. Apparently it works after disabling and enabling encryption, but I'm just kee…

Oh wow, thanks for the heads up! Turns out my recovery key was also invalid... That's something Apple really should have notified people about. These kinds of slip ups without notifying users is terrible.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by int_19h »

antiframe wrote: post #410
1970-01-01 wrote: post #208

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You don't have a requirement to have an email account to login to Windows. MS is pushing it hard, (deceptive trend in big software) but the user can still push back.

I don't know if its still true today, but last time I setup a macOS machine (2020), it didn't require, but pushed, an Apple ID. My Pixel phone I setup this February also didn't require, but pushed, a Google account. I think iOS did require an AppleID, though.

macOS doesn't require Apple ID, although you wouldn't be able to use the app store without it (but pretty much everything worth installing is available as direct downloads anyway). This is similar to the current state of affairs with Win11, except that the latter very aggressively pushes you to use your online email/password as Windows login, whereas macOS insists on having a local account even if you do also set up Apple ID.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by int_19h »

trogdor wrote: post #377
zac23or wrote: post #353

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Apple is like a religion. An Apple user told me “Apple never makes mistakes” during the Antennagate. I never forgot that, and I try not to have conversations with Apple fans after that.

>An Apple user told me “Apple never makes mistakes” during the Antennagate. I never forgot that, and I try not to have conversations with Apple fans after that. Someone made an absurd statement to you about Apple, so you have spent the last fourteen years trying to avoid conversations with people who like Apple products?

This sort of thing is present in every fandom, but Apple's is sort of legendary for how far it is willing to push it. This is rather evident even if you're just skimming through topical subreddits trying to find solution to some problem. It's very common to find a post that asks the exact question you have, followed by dozens of responses telling them that what they are trying to do is either impossible or unnecessary.
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