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Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Just hire Chinese engineers who were born/raised here. It would meet the DEI quota and decrease the chance of industrial espionage. No guarantees, but I think this would help.

…so you mean hire Americans. Also, pretty sure there are no DEI quotas for Asian men.

No, he doesn't mean Americans. He meant Chinese engineers like Irish or German engineers who were born and raised here.

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I am by no means an expert at all, however my very basic understanding is that ITAR is primarily concerned with important/export controls? Even if AI was added but the specific staffing was to a project was totally unrelated to something that would be imported or exported (this guy was an infra guy it looks like?), would that apply?

I'm no expert either, but from living through the painful days of ITAR and encryption, it only matters that some technology/information can be used for military purpose for it to be restricted. For years we couldn't distribute the code for AES above 128 due to ITAR, even though it was widely and easily available all over the internet.

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Yah, so there is a problem here in that many of these "homeland nationalistic" folks who send stuff back to "their governments" are in many instances, citizens of the country they are betraying. Since these two[1][2] incidents, I wondered deeply for a while, what is going to happen here as it seems the CCP is getting more and more brazen. I don't believe it would be legal for "enhanced background checks" on someone i…

Thoughts on subjecting Jewish-Americans to this?

We've lost reems of technology to I*aeli espionage.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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This doesn't surprise me. I knew someone that intentionally graduated with a specific major, so they could get a job in that industry and send trade secrets/IP back to China. The purpose was to create a competing company. It didn't work out for them that well. They couldn't last more than 6 months at any one company and I think eventually gave up and went back home.

Slightly different: I worked with a guy who took a job at a finance firm I worked to understand trading. His stated goal? Arabic states and individuals have stupid amounts of money he can play with. That is, he wanted parlay learning and connections to start his own firm.

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One of the reasons I appreciated academics in my youth was because of how international they were and their bias towards disseminating knowledge globally. I think the modern day equivalent is libre/free/open source. I encourage everyone to support libre/free/open source software, hardware and data.

I agree we should spread knowledge and source code, but I don’t think open source always works. The reason seems to be because when you create an open system with no restrictions beyond an honor system, people and organizations take advantage of it. You need force, I just don’t think you need borders anymore.

I agree that FOSS isn't always the right tool but for maybe different reasons. In my opinion, FOSS works best when there's a slow moving target that allows for small, incremental additions to make it better. This is why FOSS and games tend to not be a good fit and what FOSS and server side infrastructure is a good fit.

Also, in terms of "force", many FOSS licenses have reciprocity or even viral terms associated with them. Violations of that agreement can have legal consequences for organizations.

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So in your oppinion the US, despite being not at war, should make as much munitions as a country that is very much at war?

It's about capability more than current production. And given they're supplying arms to two separate wars, one of them against the country in question, it does matter.

I'm not supporting either war, or even applying either. The limitations on domestic production capability are absolutely concerning.

Not just in terms of arms, but medication and technology. This should have been a key lesson learned from COVID supply issues.

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The survival of this comment is ironically impacted by its bizarre tangent into populist conservative rhetoric

Should note that the talking points mentioned weren't in terms of for our against only that they are prioritized over production capabilities.

I think the lack of production capability is extremely detrimental to security. This should have been the major lesson from supply issues during COVID IMO.

Improving production independence shouldn't be a politicized issue and should be a broad concern. Not to mention the context of picking fights with relatively powerful foreign nations.

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I agree we should spread knowledge and source code, but I don’t think open source always works. The reason seems to be because when you create an open system with no restrictions beyond an honor system, people and organizations take advantage of it. You need force, I just don’t think you need borders anymore.

I agree that FOSS isn't always the right tool but for maybe different reasons. In my opinion, FOSS works best when there's a slow moving target that allows for small, incremental additions to make it better. This is why FOSS and games tend to not be a good fit and what FOSS and server side infrastructure is a good fit. Also, in terms of "force", many FOSS licenses have reciprocity or even viral terms associated with…

True, but effective enforcement could be expensive. See that recent French case. 14 years to victory!

I like your point about FOSS tho. I'll think about that. My current idea is that FOSS is good for utilities, or things you can plug in, but for full blown applications like my BrowserBox^0 is, or Andris Rienmann's EmailEngine^1, it's not so great.

Tho, 'slow moving target' seems a good heuristic worth considering. Thank you! :)

0: https://github.com/BrowserBox/BrowserBox

1: https://emailengine.app/

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A Chinese national is trying to make big bucks with stealing technology maybe...

The Motherland rewards it's loyal servants, what of it?

It is capitalism actually. There are a lot money is looking for opportunities, and the hype generated from the US has a ripple effect on the global market. China has a big venture capital market, and domestic money is looking for these opportunities and quick bucks (maybe quick RMB). Started from social media, then e-commerce, a few years ago autonomous driving and now AI. There will be people taking risks with so much money on the table.

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Exactly. We only know about the terrible ones.

It also reminds me of stories I have read of drug mules that it makes no sense how they think they wouldn't be caught using the methods they were using. The twist of the story though is they were duped themselves. They were setup to get caught as a decoy while the real crime took place.

That sounds interesting. Where?
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