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Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by Dr_Birdbrain »

ironyman wrote: post #23

Good time to post this article again: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/z4MDDwwnWKnv2ZzdK/the-agi-ra... China understands there is a real risk of the US gaining an absolute advantage in A[G]I development. It shouldn't surprise anyone that they will use all kinds of 'greyzone methods' to bridge this gap.

Skimming through it I was confused.

- No homegrown semiconductor industry: isn’t the recent hand-wringing over the new Huawei chips proof of the opposite?

- No interest in training LLMs? Is that true? I thought Baidu was already on it?

In fact at every major AI conferences, Chinese R&D groups like Baidu and Ant group are major participants (and sponsors). I am talking about conferences like NeurIPS and AAAI, which both happened in the past few months.

EDIT: the comments of that article are also confused by that article, lol. Is there a joke that is going over our collective heads?

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Post by unsupp0rted »

Thorrez wrote: post #47
feverzsj wrote: post #27

So he was already CEO/CTO of 2 China companies while still working in google. And these information are publicly available right after he registering them. Seems a management disaster of google.

You expect Google to scan the database of companies in every country continuously to see if employees are executives of them? How would this handle different people who have the same name? Disclosure: I work at Google.

> You expect Google to scan the database of companies in every country continuously to see if employees are executives of them?

Um, yes? That’s among the least invasive and cheapest due diligence they could do.

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Post by jojobas »

powerapple wrote: post #42
jojobas wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Chinese national helping his country not fall behind in what's perceived as an existential race? Wrong?

A Chinese national is trying to make big bucks with stealing technology maybe...

The Motherland rewards it's loyal servants, what of it?

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Post by jajko »

feverzsj wrote: post #27

So he was already CEO/CTO of 2 China companies while still working in google. And these information are publicly available right after he registering them. Seems a management disaster of google.

> What is Article 7 of the Chinese Intelligence law?

> Article seven says in part that “All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of.

And that's just a nice wording to make it official, russians don't have anything similar yet they keep bribing small and big people all around the world to often perform literal treason of their home country, and quite a few do so for petty sums. Your Chinese relatives can also be just sentenced ie for made up drug trafficking to execution and subsequent organ harvest if say sending them to 're-education' camp won't convince you.

Anybody having Chinese citizenship and any position of power or access to secret stuff should be treated as potential threat and evaluated continuously. Or just not hired. If they are actually serious about such a work they should give up their nationality, if they can't then they are risky. Its a serious stuff by no means, but this is how China plays so literally everybody around the globe has to adjust or suffer subsequent consequences.

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Post by zettabomb »

Thorrez wrote: post #47
feverzsj wrote: post #27

So he was already CEO/CTO of 2 China companies while still working in google. And these information are publicly available right after he registering them. Seems a management disaster of google.

You expect Google to scan the database of companies in every country continuously to see if employees are executives of them? How would this handle different people who have the same name? Disclosure: I work at Google.

Not for nothing but plenty of other companies do pretty much just this, for example in defense. Surely Google of all companies should be able to do a simple search like that on a regular basis.

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Post by jojobas »

monktastic1 wrote: post #50
jojobas wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your allegiance to your employer above your allegiance to your country?

I'm not sure why you're asking me that. I made it clear from my comment that there's a distinction between legal and moral "wrong," and I described the unlikelihood that he didn't know it was the former. That's all.

What's legal is not constant in space and time. I bet the only thing he thought he didn't do right is not get out of the US in time. Then it would have been both legal and moral for him.

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Post by eganist »

Thorrez wrote: post #47
feverzsj wrote: post #27

So he was already CEO/CTO of 2 China companies while still working in google. And these information are publicly available right after he registering them. Seems a management disaster of google.

You expect Google to scan the database of companies in every country continuously to see if employees are executives of them? How would this handle different people who have the same name? Disclosure: I work at Google.

> You expect Google to scan the database of companies in every country continuously to see if employees are executives of them? How would this handle different people who have the same name?

> Disclosure: I work at Google.

It's Google. Not a mom and pop shop, not a startup, not even a large bank. It's a massive conglomerate who's entire business model revolves around data.

So yes. And same-name conflicts can be handled case by case.

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