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Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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> This is a very engineering solution to a very not-engineering problem. True, the solution very obviously to reduce poverty. It's a social problem, not an engineering nor a policing problem.

Land Value Tax would fix this!

We already have a land value tax. It's called "Property Tax"

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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By making it hard to obtain weapons. The US thinking to me seams to go along the lines of handing out nuclear weapons to everybody so forces are balanced...

What do you do if two criminals break into your house and you don't have a gun?

I love that this got downvotes but no responses.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Voice recognition under combat stress? That shit barely works under optimal conditions.

Not true, now it is very robust

I'm saying what everyone else is trying to tell you 'you have no fucking idea what you are talking about, you are trying to solve a problem that does not need to be solved, that no one has a desire to solve and is in fact not even a problem'.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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No, you can't legally shoot someone that walks in through an open door. You can ask them to leave, but youre going to have big problems if you shoot them and all they did up to that point was not leave instantly when asked, if they walked through an open door. If the door is locked, and they break in, you are not shooting them because they broke a lock. You are shooting them because theyve shown criminal intent by fo…

I'm curious in how many jurisdictions simply "showing criminal intent" is sufficient to mean they're legally a target to be shot at, potentially fatally. I'd be pretty horrified to know I was living in such a jurisdiction. Whereas somebody walking through my open door while clearly posing a threat to my life, or the life of family members (e.g. holding a weapon) I would have no hypothetical qualms over aiming a gun a…

Are you sure you can run all those calculations while breaking and entering is occurring in your home? It varies quite a bit from place to place, as you can see...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

But the basic idea is that the natural right of self-defense extends to certain areas, including one's home. (That is, you do not have to wait until the intruder has his hands around your neck in order to defend yourself.) If you would prefer to not be allowed to defend yourself, that's you. In many countries (not just the US) invading people's homes makes for a dangerous and short career, as it should.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Doesn't the system already check the latency from key fob to car antenna? Better yet, you could use two antennas in the car, and triangulate the key fob.

The latency check is usually not sensitive enough to prevent a car being stolen from the drive-way from a relayed key that lies near the front door. For reference 20 meters is about 66 nano-seconds.

UWB is augmenting Bluetooth for car keys solving this exact issue; The Car Connectivity Consortium came up with the Digital Key 3.0 standard that's available today, as implemented by some makes like BMW and the Hyundai/Kia group and Apple, and resists relay and replay attacks through precise ranging.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Darkness doesn't have anything to do with anything. Once you get the tensioner and pick into the keyway you aren't using your eyes anymore, at that point it's all feel.

If you are that good a lock pick, you are better off as a locksmith. In real life the people send out to steal the car aren't the most talented and brightest, otherwise they would be running the operation safely from an office somewhere.

I spent maybe 2 hours with my first set of picks to unlock my first shitty masterlock padlock. An hour later I was through my front door deadbolt. It's not a hard skill to learn, especially when it comes to typical american door locks (pin tumbler). But this is all non-destructive. I used to keep a set of picks in my desk specifically to open up people personal rolling underdesk drawers/file cabinets, when they lost or forgot their keys.

My understanding that your average ignition is a little more complicated (or at least different .. wafer locks) circa 70s-90s and then they started adding radios and other things into the mix. I dunno, I've never tried to pick one of these.

Destructively bypassing your average old-school ignition is still something you can do blindly with a bent flathead screwdriver and some elbow grease in about 15 seconds flat. As is destructively bypassing any given door lock.. well not bypassing the lockper se, but instead the bolt/doorframe generally.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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This is a tech solution for a non-tech problem. Why is there an uprising in car thefts? Why do people feel the need to steal someone's expensive property? Deal with those issues first. Or someone will smash a window to steal something valuable no matter what you try.

You want to eliminate all crime before doing anything to prevent crimes? Righto boss I'm off to remove all locks from my house for the cause

No, that's not what I said. Don't straw man me.

We already do stuff to prevent crimes. The cars have locks, alarms, cryptographic key fobs, tracking, cameras etc. etc.

None of that works.

Adding a new layer of security is surely not going to help. That's my point. The resources are better put elsewhere.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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post #139

This is a tech solution for a non-tech problem. Why is there an uprising in car thefts? Why do people feel the need to steal someone's expensive property? Deal with those issues first. Or someone will smash a window to steal something valuable no matter what you try.

If you think like that, then no problems should be solved by tech because there are completely viable non-tech solutions: Uber: just hail a taxi Amazon: just visit your local bookshops netflix: Renting DVDs is perfectly fine. Spotify: all the music you need is on AM/FM. Instagram: just meet up with friends in person Zoom: Conduct face-to-face meetings Zillow: Work with a real estate agent Yelp: Ask locals for restaur…

Not what I said. Read my other reply.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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This is a tech solution for a non-tech problem. Why is there an uprising in car thefts? Why do people feel the need to steal someone's expensive property? Deal with those issues first. Or someone will smash a window to steal something valuable no matter what you try.

Yes great idea Captain! Let's solve all of societal issues before bothering to do any protection for your own personal assets. You've figured it out. And you know property crime is only a recent phenom of the last couple years. Never existed before the 1980s or you know tomb robbers etc.

I'm not saying don't bother protect personal assets. I'm saying don't bother with an additional and pretty stupid protection. Just a game of cat and mouse.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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I knew someone with a shitty pickup truck where he wired a light switch into the fuel pump and hid it under the steering column. The truck would be stolen something like 5 times a year and every time he would find it abandoned a km or so away when the gas in the line ran out. I drove in it once to get lunch and near the beginning the car begins sputtering and he's like, "oh right, you're thirsty" and reached under an…

I believe this is a story told by comedian and author Adam Carolla.
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