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PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Note: You can get married at 16 in Utah. So you can be married but still too young to consume pornography.

Interesting to find out that Utah DOESN'T have the kind of child marriage that places like West Virginia have been in the news recently for defending.

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I suspect any academic study proposing to show pornography to minors is going to get shut down pretty quickly. In my own anecdotal experience I’d say it definitely can be dangerous and depends on a variety of factors, a key one IMO being what kind of pornography we’re even talking about. In my youth we discovered a friends dad nudie mag stash. Lots of glamour photography of topless women, some full nudity too but alw…

> I suspect any academic study proposing to show pornography to minors is going to get shut down pretty quickly. I highly doubt this, because it's both important and relevant. 16y/o will consume pornography. I know I did, and I was 16 way before internet. Young adults will have had exposure before engaging in actual sex. This is important because it might be problematic. Because it changes behavior. But also because…

Any research which involved actually showing pornography to minors would almost certainly be shut down for ethical reasons. Studies would almost certainly have to be observational and post-facto, studying people who admit to having been exposed as minors.

Medical ethics practices in the U.S. are actually very advanced and restrictive. I cannot imagine an IRB ever approving showing minors pornography especially given that there is a reasonable expectation of harm and essentially no expectation of benefit.

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Is there a mechanism for empowering a polity to protect minors from certain things the polity deems they're not ready for that doesn't rely on arbitrary rules?

How about: If you don't want your kids to see it, that's on you. Either accept that you are a shitty parent who can't raise children to your satisfaction, or get better at parenting. Don't force consequences on me just because you are incompetent.

What do you think of helicopter parenting? What about the "free range" movement? What's the proper balance of freedom and privacy for kids?

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Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

Way to regurgitate a tired argument. Kids are addicted to porn before they’re old enough to drive these days and it’s messes them up for life (see: the incel movement.) Something has to be done about corporations that profit off of showing literal children hardcore porn.

“Talking to your kids” doesn’t work when multinational corporations are incentivized to addict them for ad revenue.

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Why do you think that? I think it's a good thing for minors to have unrestricted access to porn

Call me a prude. Call me old fashioned. Call me small minded. But watching a woman getting chocked while DPed in her anus while a half dozen men ejaculate on her is not the type of extra-curricular activity [1] I want my soon to be teenaged daughters' boyfriends interested in. Im just... overprotective I guess. [1] If anyone calls me out for knowing what's on the front page of all of these smut sites, guess what? We…

But high school kids are having less sex and, those that do, with fewer partners and it continues to trend down. [1]

So, assuming porn has any effect at all, it's possible highly available internet porn is decreasing the amount of sex kids are having.

The sexual violence trend on page 56 is concerning however it looks like the CDC has not been tracking that question as long either (only 4 year trend instead of 10+ like other categories).

Another concerning thing to me is the decreasing condom use, especially with current abortion trends. If we think porn drives behavior, maybe porn actors should be mandated to use condoms.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/data/yrbs/pdf/yrbs_data-sum... [Page 14 (17 pdf)]

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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It’s probably only a matter of time. The internet became the only place where age verification wasn’t really a thing. I’m honestly more surprised this didn’t happen 20 years ago.

I believe it is not the responsibility of the government to police what your child is doing.

I'm not sure I agree. If the parents don't do it, someone ought to. I disagree on the part that all types of porn (especially by the USA level of prudishness) is necessarily harmful to 16-year-olds.

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Mastercard and Visa have been doing the same for years now. Anyone who uploads nude photos (and this includes nudism websites) must also upload government id to the website (Not to visa/Mastercard which would be the obvious). So millions of users have uploaded multiple copies of their gov id to all kinds of websites. I m sure they are secure.

This happened after some anti-sex groups went on a pr campaign. And this american pretentiousness is now imposed on everyone, worldwide.

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> So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture? It's still a barrier to entry and will stop some kids. Sure, kids can still get fake IDs or use their parents so this wont stop everyone but no law ever will stop everyone. > First... how? Don't know. Let's let the people w…

>Don't know. Let's let the people who have the most interest here figure out a workable way around this. You don't think people have thought about this shit since the internet started? There is literally no viable way- otherwise it probably would have already happened. So honestly the entire argument is completely moot unless you want us to video chat with someone to verify our identity and age before we decide to se…

No, that is not what happened. State governments initially did put into place age verification restrictions. Those restrictions were struck down by the Supreme Court in Ashcroft v ACLU because SCOTUS believed that content filtering could be a suitable alternative. 20 years later, we know that content filtering is an abject failure. So the states are passing these laws to get before SCOTUS again to overturn Ashcroft v ACLU.

The market never did this because they never had to before, and the internet has also drastically changed since this was first brought up.

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About a month ago I had my groceries delivered from Wholefoods and the deliver driver carded me for some non-alcoholic beer I had purchased. I tried explaining to him that he didn't have to do that, but he wouldn't unload my groceries until I let him scan my ID.

Wait they actually scan your ID? Or did you mean visually 'scan' it

Actually scan. I sometimes get beer via door dash, and they quickly verify your age by scanning the barcode on your ID. It pops up green so fast that at least some of the verification must be local to the phone, but I'm sure some data gets sent back. But I had to upload my ID to Door Dash the first time, so incremental scans don't really give them anything new.
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