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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Is this GitHub acting independently or is it Microsoft informing them that they needed to lose 10% but they could do it on their own time frame?

The fact they're closing all offices and switching to fully-remote suggests it was Github's decision. Microsoft doesn't seem pro WFH

A bunch of my former co-workers at MSFT are working from home 100% of the time. Maybe it is a per organization thing.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I choose Teams over Slack any day. I much prefer thread-based chat than message based chat. Teams forces people to use top message as a topic, then respond to messages under that topic. Slack message is just a message. You want to search something on Teams, you get full threads, chat is part of documentation. You want to find something on Slack, you need to click on date of the re…

Have you tried sending code snippets via Teams using ```-fenced code blocks?

The result looks normal. But once the recipient tries to actually use the code, it breaks horribly, because Teams has a habit of sprinkling it with non-breaking spaces.

This issue has been going on for years. I feel it makes Teams utterly unusable in software development teams.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Look, you can't have it both ways. People on HN are always talking badly about companies that don't allow work from home, or require at least a couple days in the office. Then a company says it's going entirely remote (not including the layoff context) and people shit on that. Which is it? As for the layoffs, I don't have anything to add to that. There a Microsoft decision.

There are different people on this website and they can have different opinions about things

That's right.

The HN Community isn't.

HN isn't a coherent whole with one voice.

And, as a sibling comment pointed out, neither, typically, is any individual contributor. We can even change our opinions.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Fortune now confirming: https://fortune.com/2023/02/09/github-is-laying-off-10-of-st...

Another stupid demonym in a layoff letter! a Lattician, a Flexporter, a Scalien, a Relativian, a Plaid, a Swyftxer, an Elastician, a Krakenite, a Dragon, an Asana, a Wistian, a Nuron, a Bird, a Twilion, a Pitcher, an Olivian, a Snyker, a Panda, an Astronaut, a Superhuman, a VTEXer, a Klarnaut, a Lacer, a Mozillian, a Paddler, an Oyster, a SoundHounder, a Vimean, a Zoopligan, a Motive, a Stasher, a Plerker, a Lokalise…

If you start the joke format, you have to commit to it.

A Lattician, a Flexporter, ..., an eBayer and a Hubber walk into a bar. But in the end, they can't afford getting anything to drink since they've been laid off.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Closing all offices, I have to say, makes it way easier to do more layoffs. Having been through layoffs in semiconductor manufacturing in the 90's, when you had to, you know, get the people from work and take them to a place and all that, it involved paying a lot of money for extra security and such. With no offices, it's a lot easier, and you never have to meet the person face to face. Five years from now, I think w…

I doubt in office staff are more valued by companies than remote staff. If the company is moderately large then you will not be any more visible than a remote worker.

I'd be surprised if we're not just figures on a spreadsheet to those high enough up.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Look, you can't have it both ways. People on HN are always talking badly about companies that don't allow work from home, or require at least a couple days in the office. Then a company says it's going entirely remote (not including the layoff context) and people shit on that. Which is it? As for the layoffs, I don't have anything to add to that. There a Microsoft decision.

I'll contend that while I've been fully taken advantage of remote work (and probably want my next job to be remote too), I still fully believe it's a long term "leading lambs to the slaughter" type of plan. Companies save big on remote in so many ways. No more offices. No more weekly happy hours (just do a company retreat every 6 months). They can now depress salaries even further because they have a wider pool from…

If that’s the case then why hasn’t the shift happened sooner?

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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>Which is it? I think it's fair to say that people would like to work remotely while also not being converted into a commoditized faceless resource; and I think that it's clear to anyone at the moment that we haven't quite worked all the kinks out of total remote work , yet. An ideal remote environment would be one where the human at the other end of the line is still remembered as being a human and cherished rather…

That's never going to happen. Most people (maybe not you, you savant) need someone's physical presence to see them as a real person. The phrase "Out of sight, out of mind" did not become irrelevant just because I can email someone across the world.

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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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They even had a full-scale replica of the Oval Office there https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/710956599477534720...

wait... why? I would have assumed that tweet was a joke. Because... why?

That oval office replica was the entrance to the office. The reason they gave publicly was that since it was people's first impression they wanted to make it grand. And since the admin employee was the first person to greet visitors, they felt it was the most important job in the office and wanted to give them a badass desk to do it from.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

Call me crazy, but I think that it's premature to think that Microsoft's days of bungling acquisitions are over. They probably will manage to ruin Github, the catch being that it'll happen over a much longer timescale. Really should have seen that when Atom fell to the sidelines in favor of VS Code. Admittedly though, I don't see myself using Gitlab anytime soon, if not indefinitely. What makes Github special, arguab…

For Microsoft I guess the next natural step would be some kind of project management software package like JIRA - well integrated with GitHub, Teams, etc.

I'm not really sure how much more space for innovation there is when it comes to git web services. What kind of killer feature would trump GitHub?

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I am absolutely certain this is to suppress wages and employee rights. It is a coordinated effort across the industry and should be immediately investigated.

Any time labor makes headway against Capital, Capital Revolts. Which is why we saw a lot of unionization in the past, it was the only way to make any headway.
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