New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

Post by chmod775 » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 10:43 AM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #385

From what I can tell, the car behind the tesla didn't crash into the tesla but stopped before. And so did the car behind that one. It is the cars after that that crashed into each others. While automatic cars doing random things is certainly problematic, clearly the cause of the crash here isn't the tesla, it is other cars not respecting minimum safety distances and not able to stop when there is a traffic jam ahead.

Post by somethingreen » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 10:45 AM UTC

samwillis wrote: post #444

fullsend wrote: post #406

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In my opinion 90% of the reason we don’t have more accidents is because people are so predictable. Watch dangerous drivers weave through traffic - it’s only possible because everyone follows spoken and unspoken rules. Randomly stopping is not some “you need to be prepared, it’s your fault” moment.

The other day I was driving behind a car on a country road, he did an emergency stop to avoid a rabbit in the road. I avoided hitting him, I stopped about 2m from him because I was careful to leave enough space. If I had hit him I'm sure the insurance companies would have placed blame on me and it would have been my insurance that paid out. But ultimately it would have been his "fault" for doing something utterly unp…

Post by sniglom » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 10:46 AM UTC

trabant00 wrote: post #441

progman32 wrote: post #427

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And yet, I make it a point to achieve enough space for reaction time + stopping to zero as often as possible. Everyone should.

Good for you. It is not always possible thought and this is why we have laws against braking or driving at significant lower speeds for no reason. Creating a dangerous situation is not acceptable on the grounds that other drivers should be able to avoid it.

Post by redox99 » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 10:48 AM UTC

quink wrote: post #299

shepherdjerred wrote: post #253

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Trains aren't really comparable to autonomous lanes. An autonomous car can travel on both normal roads, and in an autonomous lane. Roads are everywhere -- there's a road leading up to most people's place of residence. Trains rely on tracks which are not as common as roads. Trains are also not owned by individuals. Most people do not have a train station outside of their house.

> Trains are also not owned by individuals. Planes aren't either, what's your point? That people who need to go somewhere should be priced out of using _public_ infrastructure and require a personal investment currently in the tens of thousands for the cheapest autonomous cars? > Most people do not have a train station outside of their house. People have feet or a wheelchair, bicycles are a thing, trams and buses exi…

Post by 6LLvveMx2koXfwn » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 10:48 AM UTC

__alexs wrote: post #448

cm2187 wrote: post #385

From what I can tell, the car behind the tesla didn't crash into the tesla but stopped before. And so did the car behind that one. It is the cars after that that crashed into each others. While automatic cars doing random things is certainly problematic, clearly the cause of the crash here isn't the tesla, it is other cars not respecting minimum safety distances and not able to stop when there is a traffic jam ahead.

Suddenly stopping at high speed is generally considered (at least in the UK) dangerous driving and will get you prosecuted and probably mean you lose your license at the very least. If it results in a death then you can get a life sentence in prison for it. Intentionally stopping inside a tunnel is a pretty clear cut case of dangerous driving over here.