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Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by Scea91 »

nybble41 wrote: post #416
lolinder wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So how do you know those services don't pull the same stunt? It's a questions of eggs per basket. Google wants you to keep everything in their one basket, and the result is that if they arbitrarily terminate your account, you lose everything . If they give you 30 days like OP, you have to remember all the different places you need to download content from. If you split your services up, a sudden termination only af…

> If they give you 30 days like OP, you have to remember all the different places you need to download content from. Google Takeout (takeout.google.com) should give you almost everything in one place. It's a good idea to do this periodically in case you don't get the 30-day notice. Be prepared to download a few dozen GB, though. And there is no "incremental" option.

Takeout is nice, but I am surprised by the lack of features in other products that would easily allow to import the data from Takeout format.

I wanted to migrate from Google Photos to iCloud. Turns out there is no easy way how to import the photos to iCloud without loosing metadata. I gave up and just bought more storage on Google.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by tjalfi »

at_a_remove wrote: post #294

I am struggling to remember the name of this sci-fi book I had read about twenty-five years ago. Someone encounters a civilization where things are going pretty darned well for the humans, and there are these spider-aliens who make sure that the trains are running on time. It's just that a small portion of the population is abducted by the spider-aliens, for a long period of agonizing torture before being consumed. E…

TVTropes has lists of science fiction with insectoid aliens[0] and books with giant spiders[1].

[0] https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsectoidAliens

[1] https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/GiantSpider/Literatur...

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by Forgeties79 »

leros wrote: post #25
lima wrote: post #7

We need legislation forcing companies to manually review algorithmic decisions that impact people's lives - there has to be a proper appeals process. It's simply not economical for many companies to deal with the long tail of false positives, so they don't. Google has billions of users, and if their algorithms are 99.999% right about bans, their metrics look great but that's still tens of thousands users wrongfully b…

I agree. These walled gardens wouldn't be the end of the world if you could actually talk to a human customer service person to resolve these issues. The problem is that companies are willing to use algorithms that are 95% correct because it's good enough for them, but that ignores that it's screwing over a percentage of their customers.

It’s kind of baffling to me that YouTube/google, Facebook, etc. have been able to get away with “well there’s just too much to manage so we deploy algorithms and pray to the code god it meets a minimum threshold to keep the government off our backs.”

Imagine I’m a trillionaire real estate mogul. I have 1,000,000 properties under my domain across the world. Some will, inevitably, not get the upkeep they need and a situation like the apartment building in Miami occurs. Let’s say even that no one dies, to be generous. Another building the electrical is jacked up and held together by paper clips, regularly leaving residents without power. Another one has grey water coming out of every faucet.

The government comes in and goes “hey, a bunch of stuff isn’t up to code. You can’t have buildings like this.” I then proceed to go, “well, it’s unreasonable to expect me to address every problem. I’m just too large of a company with too many assets. I’d need to hire a small army to manage it all.” The government goes, “huh, that’s reasonable. Well I guess just automate what you can and do your best!”

That’s absolutely ridiculous, right?

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by zdragnar »

CharlesW wrote: post #160
zdragnar wrote: post #90

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I can't speak for the developing works. In the US at least, where these companies are headquartered, every example you gave has an alternative that doesn't require an app. There might be an argument for more regulation, but calling apps utilities most definitely is not one.

> In the US at least, where these companies are headquartered, every example you gave has an alternative that doesn't require an app. There are countless U.S. examples where an app (native and/or web) is the only practical interface you have to a company or service. For example: What's the phone number to YouTube customer service if someone needs to discuss a misunderstanding about a copyright strike?

If you have uploaded a video to YouTube, you don't need a smartphone to browse the web.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by CharlesW »

zdragnar wrote: post #484
CharlesW wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the US at least, where these companies are headquartered, every example you gave has an alternative that doesn't require an app. There are countless U.S. examples where an app (native and/or web) is the only practical interface you have to a company or service. For example: What's the phone number to YouTube customer service if someone needs to discuss a misunderstanding about a copyright strike?

If you have uploaded a video to YouTube, you don't need a smartphone to browse the web.

What does this have to do with the example?

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by Avamander »

account42 wrote: post #474
bragr wrote: post #419

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Protonmail seems to routinely get flagged by fraud, spam, and security systems. You emails are probably getting eaten by a security appliance before it even reaches the government exchange server or whatever.

Protonmail is one of the few remaining email hosts that let you create a free account without a verified mobile phone number. It probably does get used for spam quite a bit - relatively to gmail/outlook/etc., not in absolute terms that is, IME most spam is from compromised hosts and botnets. Then again, the major mail providers, especial Microsoft, are really trigger happy and don't seem to care about the damage they…

> It probably does get used for spam quite a bit - relatively to gmail/outlook/etc., not in absolute terms that is

Not really, big players have the advantage that nobody is going to block them. Most of them spam regularly by thousands of letters before some automation of theirs triggers (or the spammer stops).

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by Avamander »

throwuxiytayq wrote: post #234
TuringNYC wrote: post #214

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I had a scare last year where Google supposedly gave me 30 days before they would shut off my Google account of 20yrs. Family photos, youtube videos, 20yrs of email, not to mention the treasure trove of personal documents on GDrive. It took two weeks to duplicate the content and back it up elsewhere. This is a paid tier Google account and I've yet to get an explanation on why this happened. It appears to be because o…

After reading so many posts like this, I decided to bite the bullet and start moving off-Google. Funny thing is, ProtonMail and Obsidian are much better than Gmail and Keep anyway. I'm still forced to use Google stuff here and there but I'm no longer dependant on them, and coincidentally I've been sleeping much better recently.

ProtonMail doesn't do e-mail categorization like gmail, so "much better" is very subjective. Their IMAP gateway is also a paid feature, which is really sucky.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by nybble41 »

Scea91 wrote: post #481
nybble41 wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they give you 30 days like OP, you have to remember all the different places you need to download content from. Google Takeout (takeout.google.com) should give you almost everything in one place. It's a good idea to do this periodically in case you don't get the 30-day notice. Be prepared to download a few dozen GB, though. And there is no "incremental" option.

Takeout is nice, but I am surprised by the lack of features in other products that would easily allow to import the data from Takeout format. I wanted to migrate from Google Photos to iCloud. Turns out there is no easy way how to import the photos to iCloud without loosing metadata. I gave up and just bought more storage on Google.

I agree with you there. All the data is right there, in fairly open (if not exactly standard) formats. They even include an index document and basic descriptions of the data formats. One would think their competitors would want to make it easy to port exports from Google Takeout into their systems.

I'm a bit surprised that you had trouble importing photos, though. Isn't most of the metadata kept in standard EXIF tags in each file?

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Post by browningstreet »

yunohn wrote: post #110
browningstreet wrote: post #82

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You'd be amazed at how a little regulation right-sizes things in corporations. I work in banking -- there's no grumbling about our regulatory landscape. We just have teams of people who make sure we're compliant, and we get through our audits. So, to answer your question: yes.

Why are you comparing banking regulations to tech support? The former is crucial to trust in money, governance, and societal functioning. Tech support is easily overrun and exploited by bad actors, and the upside for the company is very minimal.

The regulation would induce upside for customers.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by reincarnate0x14 »

bragr wrote: post #419
reincarnate0x14 wrote: post #408

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Protonmail specifically seems to have strange problems with some old and busted email systems, ex: I've seen several government ministries in Taiwan (roc) that for some reason can not send email to protonmail or domains MXed there and no one has been able to explain it to me.

Protonmail seems to routinely get flagged by fraud, spam, and security systems. You emails are probably getting eaten by a security appliance before it even reaches the government exchange server or whatever.

That is not the case as this is messages sent TO protonmail. It may be related anti-whatever measures, but is not typical anti-spam.
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