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Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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A Google Developer account costs all of $25, one time. You really should scale your expectations of service based on that number. You will not be partying with Larry Page in Fiji for $25.

https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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I know a group of devs collaborating on a side project. Same thing happened to them. They created a new developer account for this project, worked together on it, and the app vanished off the store and dev account terminated, along with one of the developer's personal developer account. They assumed, but don't know, it was because the developer who had his personal account suspended as well once worked for a company…

My question, is there some statistical support for this? I scummy company employees tend to trend towards scummy stuff? No doubt lots of false positives, but folks keep on seeing this as a "mistake" google is making, and google may not think this type of associative banning is actually a mistake.

But Google is not open about the reason and if you can get the attention of their internal support people (if you have the right kind of account) they don’t seem to know why this was done either. If Google were explicit about the nature of the problem and were to provide an open process to contest and address the accusation that would help a lot. As it is, they are opaque and non-responsive. It’s an abusive relationship.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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I am struggling to remember the name of this sci-fi book I had read about twenty-five years ago. Someone encounters a civilization where things are going pretty darned well for the humans, and there are these spider-aliens who make sure that the trains are running on time. It's just that a small portion of the population is abducted by the spider-aliens, for a long period of agonizing torture before being consumed. Everyone knows and accepts this. Nobody knows who is going to get snatched and tormented and eaten. But otherwise things are just great!

Omelas aside, I think of this every time I read about someone's work or life or memories or whatever just getting zapped by Google, for a reason that is probably contained in a 500kb EULA, but one you will never find. It's free! You can do all of this stuff! It's great! Except for when your stuff gets randomly eaten.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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I had a scare last year where Google supposedly gave me 30 days before they would shut off my Google account of 20yrs. Family photos, youtube videos, 20yrs of email, not to mention the treasure trove of personal documents on GDrive. It took two weeks to duplicate the content and back it up elsewhere. This is a paid tier Google account and I've yet to get an explanation on why this happened. It appears to be because o…

Customer service? For a Google account?

For Google Workspace (previously called GSuite), you do get support. Anecdotal but I recently used their live chat and the person was very helpful and helped me figure out a weird issue with a lot of patience. I would say it was a pleasant experience but this was the only time I needed them so far so you never know :)

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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GDPR Article 22 > The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her. > In the cases referred to in points (a) and (c) of paragraph 2, the data controller shall implement suitable measures to safeguard the data subject’s rights and freedoms and…

GDPR Art. 4: „ personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’)“. This is a business, not a natural person.

> and that ban was transitively applied to their personal account as well

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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In the discussion of the last article, there was a discussion about weaponizing "associated accounts" when Google shuts things down. Looks like it's 100% a valid tactic. Looks like you need to make sure your employees all leave on good terms, and stay on good terms in the coming years. Otherwise, you too might find your Google accounts terminated with no recourse.

I think it would be more accurate to say, when an employee leaves, it's imperative to cut that associated account, regardless of whether you're on good terms with them or not.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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I suppose the best practice solution to this is to try to keep company Google Play accounts as "sterile" as possible? Give access to as few employees as possible, and have all access to Google Play go through a designated, trusted release manager or "play account manager"? And don't log in to Google Play from random browsers and IP addresses which could create an association with other Google accounts?

Or just don't link personal and company accounts . Even these issues aside , there are so many reasons to keep them separate and unrelated. That's not unique to Google but goes for GitHub, AWS, and whatever else. Use company e-mail addresses to register for everything. Enforce it for your employees. This is in the interest of both the company and the employee. Yes, the summer intern gets a corp email too, which at mi…

It sounds like Google have other means to establish links between accounts, though? An employee using their personal account and a company account from the same browser is likely to result in a "link" or association being established between those accounts.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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post #121

I know a group of devs collaborating on a side project. Same thing happened to them. They created a new developer account for this project, worked together on it, and the app vanished off the store and dev account terminated, along with one of the developer's personal developer account. They assumed, but don't know, it was because the developer who had his personal account suspended as well once worked for a company…

My question, is there some statistical support for this? I scummy company employees tend to trend towards scummy stuff? No doubt lots of false positives, but folks keep on seeing this as a "mistake" google is making, and google may not think this type of associative banning is actually a mistake.

Theory:

I think the problem is the only solid connection google has are developer accounts / that's the only club they have to swing. So bad actors may jump from account to account and Google's method of whack a mole is to just associate accounts.

Way back in the day I worked on an old forum where we used to try to do that for spammers and such. But we didn't automate it. We just had a checking mechanism that would indicate if some accounts might be from the same person ... maybe.

But beyond anecdotes and the above story I've no idea how widespread this is.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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It's I guess tangentially related, but in terms of de-googling, I've been using docker mailserver https://github.com/docker-mailserver/docker-mailserver for a few years now and it is great. Combined with bluemail, thunderbird clients, backblaze for backup, and solar panels, it runs in my house and is basically free. For resiliency I do pay for a backup MX, which is about $5/year per domain. It took a few hours to set up, supports many users (family and friends) and maybe 1h every 3 months to update and check all is good.
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