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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by sdoering »

charcircuit wrote: post #339
sdoering wrote: post #244

Disclaimer: I am a data analyst. I consult companies in regards to ethical data collection. But I also know of black sheep. I don't have a problem with websites measuring what I view, click, add to cart or buy. I want them to be able to see what doesn't work in terms of user experience. And if they do marketing I even want them to be able to see from which source of traffic (aka marketing effort) how many conversions…

>I could be able to run the proxy on any infrastructure that I like. Not only one Google's cloud offering. This is already true. https://developers.google.com/tag-platform/tag-manager/serve...

Thanks - didn't know that. Interesting. Might be a solution for a client of the team I work in (but not my client).

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by bigpeopleareold »

This article and thread got me to just install NoScript finally and start using it. It's not only part of an adblocking regime, but also am sick of the persistent nagging over consent walls (me being in Europe), adblocker walls, etc. If the content is meaningful enough, I'll subscribe (like my local newspaper, my only news subscription.)

Simple JS and site analytics is perfectly fine for me (and to be fair, not just because I work on analytics software myself, site analytics is a useful tool), but having it bundled in with constant nagging on top of heavily bloated sites and pointless (and sometimes slightly offensive) advertising that even leaks through adblocking gets on my nerves a lot.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by aeyes »

sdoering wrote: post #244

Disclaimer: I am a data analyst. I consult companies in regards to ethical data collection. But I also know of black sheep. I don't have a problem with websites measuring what I view, click, add to cart or buy. I want them to be able to see what doesn't work in terms of user experience. And if they do marketing I even want them to be able to see from which source of traffic (aka marketing effort) how many conversions…

> But I understand the business need to measure the effectiveness of marketing money spent.

Why? They are not able to track TV, newspaper, billboard or radio campaigns but still spend a lot of marketing money on these.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by suction »

saiya-jin wrote: post #359
prox wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I understand people like to talk in this way to show their emotional connection to the topic, but it’s not very helpful and like you mention, too absolute. It’s a system in progress, and we need to be invested in its ideals (fair, just, democratic)

Most often such comments come from eastern parts of Europe, where nationalistic movements have a nice resurgence in past few years. A prime example is Czech republic, a very euro-skeptical nation despite all the benefits it brought them. Hungary would be another one. That being said, as somebody coming from east too and seeing clearly all the direct and indirect benefits of EU, its far from ideal. The whole concept o…

True. If you compare Hungary / Poland and for example Ireland and Portugal, the difference couldn't be greater in terms of effectiveness of government.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by nickpp »

rndgermandude wrote: post #472
nickpp wrote: post #422

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When you use laws to ban businesses from other countries, those countries will feel entitled to use laws to ban businesses for your countries as well. It's how protectionism works and it's generally the consumers who lose.

These laws do not ban businesses, they ban business practices. And consumers often win. E.g. laws to ban the business practice of just dumping toxic waste into rivers because it's cheaper were hugely successful - at least in places were they were enforced. On the other hand, there is a danger of regulatory capture, which has to be considered as well... The GDPR does not ban Google, and it does not ban analytics. But,…

Comparing tracking with "dumping toxic waste into rivers" is comparing a breeze with a hurricane.

> Google could potentially come up with ways to make a Google Analytics that does abide by the law

I personally know of no way to have legal analytics under GDPR, as advised by multiple lawyers.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by suction »

Y-bar wrote: post #389
ThalesX wrote: post #372

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> Most often such comments come from eastern parts of Europe, where nationalistic movements have a nice resurgence in past few years. I wish people would stop attributing our attitude to nationalistic resurgences. I’m a globalist and think nationalism and regionalism should be relics of the past and I keep getting put in the same box as nationalists because I am Euro-realist. With this frame of mind I think the EU po…

> I wish people would stop attributing our attitude to nationalistic resurgences. Why should we stop? Where I live (NW Europe) this sentiment is almost exclusively echoed by members of the refreshed "neoconservative/nationalistic" right wing parties. Other parties also have their qualms about government institutions, of course, but for different reasons and expressed with different attitudes.

We should stop because it bothers them that the "clever" ways they try to undermine democracies and the EU aren't that clever at all and easily observable.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by Gibbon1 »

zwaps wrote: post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

I was thinking about something. There is belief that Old Boeing died when they 'bought' McDonald Douglas, with the result that MD's cancerous bloated failed defense contractor management then injected itself into Boeing.

Hear me out. Google bought Doubleclick in 2007. And Doubleclick's sleezy amoral management culture injected itself into Google.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by toyg »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #443
dxdm wrote: post #289

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> our ineffectual administration It always saddens me to see EU citizens talk in absolutes like that. With some exceptions, and by comparison, we have some of the best governments in the world, and, for all its faults, the EU has been a huge net positive. Perpetuating these overly negative stereotypes just aids populists in replacing our good governance with the other kind that we see all over the world.

That's true, but EU governance is byzantine to say the least. I realise that this is a political necessity, but at some point people have to understand that we're losing a majority of the benefits while increasing costs in having such a cumbersome arrangement. Maybe with Russia being so aggressive people will realise unity and cooperation should be a priority.

> That's true, but EU governance is byzantine to say the least.

That's largely because the fight for primacy between continental authorities and national ones is still ongoing. Unlike the US, where (beyond the occasional tactical posture) Congress, Presidency, and Supreme Court, have long been established as fundamentally supreme to their equivalent in local states, for the EU this has not yet been the case in many areas. Even the courts of one of the pillars of the union, Germany, recently refused to certify such primacy, and are currently in the process of being sanctioned.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by darebak »

suction wrote: post #486
Y-bar wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish people would stop attributing our attitude to nationalistic resurgences. Why should we stop? Where I live (NW Europe) this sentiment is almost exclusively echoed by members of the refreshed "neoconservative/nationalistic" right wing parties. Other parties also have their qualms about government institutions, of course, but for different reasons and expressed with different attitudes.

We should stop because it bothers them that the "clever" ways they try to undermine democracies and the EU aren't that clever at all and easily observable.

EU is trying to undermine democracy, atleast in my country.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by RamblingCTO »

suction wrote: post #480
zwaps wrote: post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

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That's definitely not trolling, that's just correct. We have nice laws and stuff, but it's not widely enforced and almost all websites do not implement these laws correctly. So why is it trolling? You also need to enforce it and make it hurt.
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