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Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by jdrc »

mediascreen wrote: post #412

I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

We knew those consequences from the start, they are just being realized veeery slowly

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by newaccount74 »

cyral wrote: post #439
doctor_lollipop wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace I'm so looking forward to that.

What is the alternative? We are going to go back to 2005 where we send docs over email? Files end up being too large, nobody knows what the latest copy is, etc.

The EU is big enough that companies like Microsoft will find a way to offer their services legally, and if they wouldn't, it would be a huge opportunity to EU based competitors. It's not like we don't have any software companies in the EU.

Also, there's no reason that collaboration tools must be hosted on a US cloud. Especially Microsoft traditionally provided tools for their customers to host their own infrastructure -- it's only a recent phenomenon that everything is hosted by the vendor themselves.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by goodpoint »

mediascreen wrote: post #412

I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

> European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools

I wish!

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by ajvs »

cyral wrote: post #439
doctor_lollipop wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace I'm so looking forward to that.

What is the alternative? We are going to go back to 2005 where we send docs over email? Files end up being too large, nobody knows what the latest copy is, etc.

Do you genuinely think they're the only office products providers in the world?

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by quicksilver03 »

martin_a wrote: post #451
antris wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what the logs contain. If they contain no personal information at all, EU data protection laws do not apply.

IP addresses are considered to be PII so you need to either truncate them before saving or have a deletion routine in place.

IP addresses are PII when they can identify a person, and that's not always the case, e.g. a company network using NAT for outgoing connections so that dozens, if not hundreds of people appear from the same IP address.

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Post by keewee7 »

fleddr wrote: post #471
mediascreen wrote: post #412

I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

Nah, the tools will be adjusted to comply. The EU combined is the largest economic region in the world. With backdrop the other huge one China where doing business has become increasingly difficult and volatile. Tech giants cannot afford to pull out of the EU. Call their bluff, they won't. They can't even if they wanted to, as shareholders will skin them alive.

>The EU combined is the largest economic region in the world.

It's not 2011 anymore. The GDP of the US has surpassed the GDP of the EU.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by tyfon »

lucideer wrote: post #456
VikingCoder wrote: post #392

If someone adds http://blah.us "> to their website, and that image is hosted in the United States, how does that not also violate French data protection? The user's browser makes a request to a US server, including the user's IP address. I legit do not understand how to make French people happy with these laws.

> how does that not also violate French data protection? The regulations don't ban collecting IPs (nor any PII). They just regulate it to the point that it must be deemed necessary according to certain criteria. I would imagine linking an image may be fine in 95% of cases, but what it would mainly depend on is the logging practices of the image hosting company. Their business would be bound by EU regulation if they a…

It would probably depend on the purpose. If the purpose is the show the image and all logging is done to an access file and not processed into advertising models I'd think it would be ok.

if the purpose is to collect PII and build advertising models like it was with the google fonts or the 1 pixel images then it is not ok.

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Post by xanaxagoras »

ballenf wrote: post #443
mediascreen wrote: post #412

I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

> we fragment and destroy the entire Internet I would call fragmenting these things rebuilding the internet. Not sure how consolidating everyone on a few Mailchimp type services is in anyone's interest.

Here here. Good riddance.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by ben_w »

germanier wrote: post #469
elevader wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR also applies to the real world. That store is definitely not allowed to share data about your shopping habits with some third party without your explicit consent. For example government departments in Germany have to aks for your explicit permission beforehand if they need to request/share data with a different department.

This is in general not true and German government departments share data with different departments all the time without explicit consent of the affected citizen. This is also not a good example as there are additional legal restrictions for government departments which businesses don't need to obey.

GDPR is a standardisation of pre-existing national rules within the EU member states, at the time including the UK’s Data Protection Act. When I was at university, one of the examples of the scope of the Data Protection Act was a barbershop which kept hand-written (no computer involved) records of customers, and one customer used the DPA to demand to see their records and then to have those records destroyed.
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