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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by Daishiman »

lordloki wrote: post #457
Daishiman wrote: post #441

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Because the disease has changed. Are you ignorant of that?

The disease has changed to reduce the effectiveness of the vaccines to the point where they don't show any significant ability to stop the spread. The current vaccines may help the individual against Omicron but does nothing to help the collective. Are you ignorant of that?

Ah I wasn't aware that reduction in rates of hospitalization by a factor of 20 do nothing to help the collective. What kind of ridiculous argument is this?

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Post by commandlinefan »

simonh wrote: post #184
crisdux wrote: post #153

Lots of people in this thread are arguing the "do the vaccines reduce spread thing" as justification for or against this policy. I don't think that even matters. These vaccines have risks that are not being opening discussed. There is an unprecedented systematic campaign of censorship, deception and propaganda aimed at people who question anything about these vaccines. Vaccine injuries are real. The performance of th…

There have been extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines, both during their trials and after public use, and these studies are continuing. The regulators on several counties including the US have even publicly registered concerns about several of the vaccines, particularly the J&J single dose vaccine. None of these studies have been suppressed or censored, and they are ongoing and I see debate about them goin…

> extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines

How and when? This time last year (when trump said a vaccine was less than a year away) these same medical professionals were warning us that vaccine testing takes years in the best case.

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Post by dudul »

scrollaway wrote: post #390
iqanq wrote: post #64

A year ago this would've been called a conspiracy theory. Saying that this would happen on Facebook or Twitter would've been called misleading or even got you banned.

A year ago, the thought that so many people would reject vaccines that can help end the pandemic was unrealistic. Soooo…

A year ago Democrat leaders in the US were saying that they would never trust a "Trump vaccine".

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throw0101a wrote: post #333
criticaltinker wrote: post #313

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Yes and this type of doublespeak is coming from the top down in many countries. It’s alarming because “they don’t believe in science” has become a divisive weapon that hand waves away all scientific nuance. The vast majority of young healthy people are completely asymptomatic, they don’t need a vaccine, nor would it be a wise investment of limited doses. Also, previous infection confers protection that is at least as…

> The vast majority of young healthy people are completely asymptomatic, they don’t need a vaccine, nor would it be a wise investment of limited doses. Of course they need a vaccine. Just because you don't have symptoms does not mean (a) that you're not carrying it, and (b) can't infect someone who may not be as healthy as you. Further it's difficult to predict ahead of time how an individual will react to being infe…

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Post by gassiss »

bmeski wrote: post #452
scrollaway wrote: post #403

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As someone who actually tested a vaccine in phase 3 voluntarily, please do not put yourself in the same group as me. You got a jab hundreds of millions of people got. I got a jab a few thousand of people got. I got to install an app and log all sorts of things on it every couple days. You didn’t have to do that. You received a QR code to allow you to participate in a variety of things. I didn’t, and had to even-more-…

Exactly, why didn’t we all get that? All I got was, “sit here for 15 minutes”. I don't remember that for any other vaccine I’ve ever taken.

That's mostly to watch for allergic reactions, which if you get you need medical assistance asap. Nothing to do with the covid vaccine itself.

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Post by [deleted] »

christofosho wrote: post #219
FourthProtocol wrote: post #162

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I've been vaccinated 3 times. But. 5m out of 7 billion on Earth. The WHO is making rumblings of downgrading pandemic to endemic. Your body is all you really have so if someone chooses to not get vaccinated I believe that to be their (and my) right. I won't have that decision made for me and I won't make that decision for another, except my boy, who is too young to decide for himself. Just like my parents vaccinated m…

The vaccine is not mandatory in Canada.

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mannanj wrote: post #424
micromacrofoot wrote: post #111

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apartheid was a racist policy that discriminated against people based on their skin color… you’re comparing this to mandating a vaccine that dramatically reduces the hospitalization rate during an international pandemic that has killed more than 5 million people in 2 years

Are you really straw manning the poster? to say "racism" cannot be compared to covid discrimination and that making the comparison makes him or his argument any “less than” is an emotional character assassination based argument not merits based one. If you’re looking for a response to your numbers that you pulled out, we still have many worse diseases and our leaders economic policies during covid impacted and hurt m…

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Post by bmeski »

gassiss wrote: post #485
bmeski wrote: post #452

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Exactly, why didn’t we all get that? All I got was, “sit here for 15 minutes”. I don't remember that for any other vaccine I’ve ever taken.

That's mostly to watch for allergic reactions, which if you get you need medical assistance asap. Nothing to do with the covid vaccine itself.

So the vaccine that they inject into you, that would cause an allergic reaction, has nothing to do with the allergic reaction?

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Post by klipklop »

huntertwo wrote: post #391

Is there room for those of us who believe the mRNA vaccines are effective at reducing transmission and severe disease yet don’t want to relegate our fellow citizens to second class status for not wanting to inject themselves with something they’re not sure about? We seem all too ready to ruin the lives of those who don’t want the jab.

There are a lot more of us than the media would lead you to believe. I have 2 shots and have no problem working alongside those with zero.

In the US/Canada for most people to keep your house you have to work for a corporation. Having your employer as the vaccine enforcer means they have no real free choice. It’s comply or become homeless.

Not working for most is far more damaging than contracting Covid. To deny them government benefits they paid for via taxes because they don’t want to take the vaccine is absurd.

The whole “I don’t want the unvaccinated to put me at risk” crowd can just go seal themselves up in a bubble.

You can’t avoid contracting Covid forever at this point. There is 3x vaccine shots to protect you and now antiviral cocktails.

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Post by exolymph »

huntertwo wrote: post #391

Is there room for those of us who believe the mRNA vaccines are effective at reducing transmission and severe disease yet don’t want to relegate our fellow citizens to second class status for not wanting to inject themselves with something they’re not sure about? We seem all too ready to ruin the lives of those who don’t want the jab.

Same boat. I'm pro-vaccine, but I have no desire to punish those who disagree.
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